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CNN政治新闻网:走近海格塞斯的政治野心——以及威胁着这些野心的风险Inside Hegseth’s political ambitions — and the risks threatening them | CNN Politics

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国防部长皮特·赫格塞斯于9月30日在弗吉尼亚州匡蒂科的海军陆战队匡蒂科基地发表“军队现状”演讲之后。Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, after giving a State of the Force address at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Quantico, Virginia, on September 30.

国防部长皮特·海格塞斯很少回避争议,但他最近的这出闹剧——宣布将对胡德堡大规模枪击案罪犯的死刑执行进行网络直播——证明这甚至让总统唐纳德·特朗普也觉得太过分了。

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has rarely shied away from controversy, but his latest spectacle — announcing that the convicted Fort Hood mass shooter’s execution would be livestreamed — proved a bridge too far even for President Donald Trump.

虽然特朗普在周四叫停了这次直播,但这一插曲凸显了海格塞斯日益具有挑衅性的公众形象背后的风险——他的一些最密切的顾问认为这种形象可以一路将他送进白宫,但另一些人则警告称,这可能会危及他可能的政治未来。

While Trump pulled the plug on the broadcast Thursday, the episode underscores the risks behind Hegseth’s increasingly provocative public persona — one that some of his closest advisers believe could carry him all the way to the White House, but which others caution could jeopardize his possible political future.

正如美国有线电视新闻网此前报道的那样,海格塞斯推动由行刑队直播尼达尔·哈桑死刑的举动最初让特朗普感到意外。两名特朗普顾问将此举形容为海格塞斯迎合特朗普和“让美国再次伟大”(MAGA)基本盘冲动的尝试。但在两党强烈反对之际,特朗普最终决定收回这一想法,在政府内部的一些人看来,这也对海格塞斯构成了打击——并对他在五角大楼刻意营造的好斗、适合电视播出的形象发出了警告。

Hegseth’s push to livestream the execution of Nidal Hasan by firing squad initially surprised Trump, as CNN has previously reported. Two Trump advisers described the move as an attempt by Hegseth to play into the impulses of Trump and the MAGA base. But Trump’s eventual decision to backtrack on the idea amid bipartisan backlash was also viewed by some inside the administration as a blow to Hegseth — and a warning about the combative, made-for-TV image he has cultivated at the Pentagon.

尽管如此,两名知情人士对美国有线电视新闻网表示,海格塞斯推动直播公开死刑与他未来的政治雄心不谋而合。其中一位知情人士称,直播是“纯粹的本我”,并指出这符合海格塞斯作为前电视名人的戏剧表演风格,他坚信自己知道什么能引起美国公众的共鸣。

Still, Hegseth’s push to livestream a public execution overlaps with his future political ambitions, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN. The livestream was “pure id,” one of the sources said, noting how it comports with Hegseth’s eye for theatrics as a former TV personality who believes he knows what resonates with the American public.

通过与十多位现任和前任政府官员、特朗普盟友、共和党特工以及熟悉海格塞斯政治圈子的人士交谈,展现出了一位国防部长的形象:他从未担任过民选职务,但正在采取可能为其铺平政治未来的举措。他树立了大男子主义的公众形象,赋权了一小群精通媒体的顾问,并测试了吸引MAGA基本盘的信息——尽管他在五角大楼的记录和对争议的热衷有可能缩小他的发展道路。

Conversations with more than a dozen current and former administration officials, Trump allies, Republican operatives and people familiar with Hegseth’s political orbit reveal a defense secretary who, while never holding elected office, is taking steps that could set up a political future. He has cultivated a macho public image, empowered a small group of media-savvy advisers and tested messages that appeal to the MAGA base — even as his record at the Pentagon and his appetite for controversy threaten to narrow his path.

在努力塑造其“战士”形象的同时,赫格塞斯身边环绕着前福克斯新闻制作人和社交媒体红人——其中最核心的人物是他的妻子詹妮弗·赫格塞斯。知情人士称,这群人在他仍然信任的不断缩小的顾问圈子里拥有巨大影响力。

As he’s sought to craft his “warrior” image, Hegseth has surrounded himself with former Fox News producers and social media personalities — chief among them his wife, Jennifer Hegseth. Sources said that group wields outsized influence within the shrinking circle of advisers he still trusts.

知情人士表示,许多此类顾问一直鼓励赫格塞斯考虑竞选公职,包括可能在2028年竞选总统。他们的论点是:两大主要竞争人选——副总统万斯和国务卿马可·鲁比奥——可能不会参选,且获得提名的道路充满不确定性。他们认为,赫格塞斯应该保留自己的选择。

Many of those advisers have encouraged Hegseth to consider political office — including a possible presidential run in 2028, sources said. Their argument: The two main alternatives, Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio, may not run and face an uncertain path to the nomination. Hegseth, they believe, should keep his options open.

一名支持赫格塞斯政治雄心的政府官员表示:“他们当中很多人都全力以赴。”该消息人士还称,许多与赫格塞斯最亲近的人之所以关注他的政治未来,部分原因在于他们将竞选公职视为他在离开五角大楼后为数不多的可行选择之一。

“A lot of them are all in,” said one administration official who supports Hegseth’s political ambitions. Many of those closest to Hegseth are focused on his political future in part because they see elected office as one of his few viable options after the Pentagon, the source added.

他最亲近的顾问还辩称,赫格塞斯具备候选人的“外形”,且比其他一些可能接替特朗普的潜在竞争者展现出更强有力的形象。然而,一些人也承认他对五角大楼的改革所引发的批评,并且他对待质疑其观点或政策之人的持续好斗态度,构成了赢得选民支持的阻力。

His closest advisers also argue that Hegseth has the “look” of a candidate and presents a stronger image than some of the other likely contenders to replace Trump. However, some also acknowledge the criticism his overhaul of the Pentagon has sparked, and that his consistently combative attitude toward those who question his views or policies present headwinds toward winning over the electorate.

与过去一年担任共和党筹款主席的万斯以及2016年总统竞选人鲁比奥不同,赫格塞斯也缺乏发起白宫竞选所需的与金主的深厚联系。与此同时,一个与得克萨斯州参议员特德·克鲁兹关系密切的超级政治行动委员会在克鲁兹公开暗示将再次参加总统竞选之际,依然保持活跃。

Unlike Vance, who has served as the Republican Party fundraising chair this past year, and Rubio, a 2016 presidential contender, Hegseth also lacks deep connections to the donors needed to mount a White House bid. Meanwhile, a super PAC close to Texas Sen. Ted Cruz remains active as he publicly flirts with another presidential campaign.

副总统万德、国务卿马可·鲁比奥和国防部长皮特·海格塞斯于3月3日在白宫椭圆形办公室出席与总统唐纳德·特朗普及德国总理弗里德里希·梅尔茨的双边会晤。 Win McNamee/Getty ImagesVice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth attend a bilateral meeting with President Donald Trump and German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, in the Oval Office of the White House on March 3. Win McNamee/Getty Images

一些特朗普的盟友向美国有线电视新闻网表示,他们认为只有在万斯决定不参选的情况下,赫格塞斯才会考虑参加2028年总统竞选。

Some Trump allies told CNN they believe Hegseth would entertain a 2028 presidential bid only if Vance decided not to run.

消息人士补充说,万斯在获得特朗普的支持方面占据有利地位——选择一个潜在的接班人,是2024年选择这位俄亥俄州参议员作为竞选搭档的考量因素之一——而如果没有这位总统的支持,海格塞斯将面临艰难的登顶之路。

Vance has the inside track to get Trump’s support — choosing a potential successor was part of the calculus in selecting the Ohio senator as a running mate in 2024 — and Hegseth would face a steep climb without the president’s backing, sources added.

美国全国广播公司新闻台(NBC News)于8月首次报道了海格塞斯关于可能参加2028年竞选的私下讨论。当时,海格塞斯称该报道“100%是假的”。

NBC News first reported on Hegseth’s private discussions about a possible 2028 run in August. At the time, Hegseth called the report “100% false.”

针对美国有线电视新闻网(CNN)就本文提出的问题,五角大楼新闻秘书金斯利·威尔逊在声明中表示:“海格塞斯部长没有竞选总统,他唯一的首要任务是领导战争部。”五角大楼首席发言人肖恩·帕内尔在一份声明中表示,海格塞斯“一次也没有”讨论过CNN所报道的内容。帕内尔说:“作为海格塞斯部长的资深高级顾问之一,我可以作证,他每天都在努力保护国家,并为我们的军人提供他们成功所需的一切。”

In response to CNN’s questions for this article, Pentagon press secretary Kingsley Wilson said in a statement that “Secretary Hegseth is not running for president, and his only priority is leading the War Department.”Chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell in a statement said that Hegseth had “not once” discussed any of what CNN was reporting. “As one of Secretary Hegseth’s senior advisors, I can attest that he spends every single day working to protect the nation and give our service members everything they need to be successful,” Parnell said.

尽管海格塞斯的形象和直言不讳的风格对于在特朗普总统任期结束后将寻找未来归宿的“让美国再次伟大”(MAGA)基本盘具有明显的吸引力,但他对伊朗战争的监督是一个重大的挑战。美国在中东的最新军事行动在选民中极其不受欢迎,民调显示,这正在拉低选民对特朗普和共和党在中期选举中的支持率。

While Hegseth’s image and blunt style have obvious appeal with a MAGA base that will be looking for a future home after Trump’s presidency, his oversight of the Iran war is a significant challenge. America’s latest military campaign in the Middle East is deeply unpopular with voters, and polls show it driving down support for both Trump and Republicans in the midterms.

海格塞斯的政治活动——包括今年早些时候前往艾奥瓦州为一名共和党众议员候选人造势——助长了有关他有朝一日可能竞选公职的猜测。

Hegseth’s political activity — including traveling to Iowa earlier this year to rally for a GOP House candidate — has helped fuel speculation that he could someday run for office.

他在田纳西州的政治动向正受到日益增长的关注,他的家人几年前搬到了那里,不过那里的共和党消息人士称,他在该州尚未采取任何可能表明他在当地怀有政治野心的举动。

His political movements are watched with increasing interest in Tennessee, where his family moved several years ago, though GOP sources there say he has not taken steps in the state yet that might suggest he harbors political ambitions there.

“我们为他正在为我们服务感到非常骄傲,”田纳西州共和党主席斯科特·戈尔登(Scott Golden)说。“我想说的是,我希望他考虑在某个时刻、某个层级竞选公职,无论他想参加哪个层级。”海格塞斯将五角大楼的大部分精力集中在为自己塑造一种特定的公众形象上,其核心理念是他正在带头根除军队中所谓的“觉醒主义”。

“We’re very proud that he is serving us,” said Scott Golden, chairman of the Tennessee Republican Party. “And I would just say I hope he considers running for office at some point, at some level, whatever level he wants to do.”Hegseth has focused much of his efforts at the Pentagon on crafting a particular public image for himself, based around the idea he is leading a charge to root out so-called “woke-ism” from the military.

国防部长皮特·海格塞斯于6月10日在古巴关塔那摩湾美国海军基地会见部队时举重。 Phil Stewart/ReutersSecretary of Defense Pete Hegseth lifts weights as he meets with troops at the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on June 10. Phil Stewart/Reuters

海格塞斯有时在五角大楼内部被称为文化战争部长,他的工作重点包括大幅削减军队中将军的数量、将国防部更名为“战争部”,甚至为“睾酮缺乏”建立一项筛查计划。

At times referred to inside the Pentagon as the Secretary of Culture War, Hegseth’s priorities have included slashing the number of generals in the military, changing the Department of Defense to the “Department of War,” and even creating a screening program for “testosterone deficiency.”

“我们不再是觉醒部门或软弱部门。简单的翻译是什么?不要胖子,不要变性人,不要大胡子,不要怪胎,不要懦夫,不要激进分子。只要战士,”海格塞斯在9月的一场“军队现状”演讲中说。“意识形态小丑出局。爱国牛仔入场——外加睾酮检测。”

“We are no longer the woke department or the weak department. Simple translation of that? No fatties, no trannies, no beardos, no weirdos, no wimps, no radicals. Just warriors,” Hegseth said at a September “State of the Force” speech. “The ideological clowns are out. The patriotic cowboys are in — with testosterone testing on top.”

在外界看来,海格塞斯此举是为了塑造自己想要的特定公众形象,他基本上将自己与媒体隔离开来,并且经常拒绝回答有关其决策的问题。在与伊朗的战争初期附近举行的新闻发布会,往往以海格塞斯对媒体以及记者对冲突报道的抨击开场,他认为这些报道“极其不爱国”。五角大楼在其一些公开信息发布中也呈现出更多政治色彩,特别是在X平台上,一个官方的国防部快速反应账号专门用于分享海格塞斯的照片及其演讲片段。

In what is seen as an effort to manufacture the specific public image he wants, Hegseth has largely insulated himself from the press and often declines to answer questions on his decision-making. Press conferences held near the beginning of the war with Iran began on many occasions with Hegseth’s ranting against the press and reporters’ coverage of the conflict, which he found to be “incredibly unpatriotic.”The Pentagon has also taken on a more political tone in some of its public messaging, particularly on X, where an official Defense Department Rapid Response account dedicates itself to sharing images of Hegseth and snippets of his speeches.

数名极右翼社交媒体名人和账号——包括至少两名现役陆军军官——在X平台上例行且大力地为海格塞斯的决定进行辩护,并攻击他的批评者。(尽管军人在网上的言行受到严格的规章制度约束。)其中数人在五角大楼工作,大楼内的许多人将这个小团体视为一支旨在影响公众对海格塞斯及其政策看法的网络水军。

Several far-right social media personalities and accounts — including at least two active-duty Army officers— routinely and vigorously defend Hegseth’s decisions and attack his critics on X. (This despite strict regulations for how service members can conduct themselves online.) Several of the individuals are employed at the Pentagon and many in the building see the small group as an online army tasked with influencing public perception of Hegseth and his policies.

海格塞斯一再坚称,他的总体目标是通过取消旨在防止平民伤亡等情况的防护栏,以及支持在法律上存疑的作战行动(包括一些引发战争罪指控的行动),来让军队更具“杀伤力”。

Hegseth has repeatedly insisted his overarching goal is to make the military more “lethal” by removing guardrails intended to prevent things like civilian casualties and by endorsing legally dubious combat operations — including some that have prompted allegations of war crimes.

这些举措招致了五角大楼内部以及特朗普政府其他官员的批评。但如果海格塞斯为自己设想了某种政治未来,这些举措似乎也帮助他维持了最重要的一种关系:总统。

Those moves have garnered criticism from officials both inside the Pentagon and elsewhere within the Trump administration. But they appear to have also helped Hegseth maintain the one relationship that matters most if he envisions some sort of political future for himself: the president.

据熟悉此事的消息人士向美国有线电视新闻网透露,尽管特朗普一直是海格塞斯的坚定捍卫者,但总统身边的其他人——包括西翼办公室的一些人——则没有那么热情。

While Trump has remained a steadfast defender of Hegseth, others close to the president — including some in the West Wing — are less enthusiastic, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

国防部长皮特·海格塞斯于10月6日前往马里兰州巴尔的摩县之前,走在总统唐纳德·特朗普附近。 Jonathan Ernst/ReutersSecretary of DefensePete Hegseth walks near President Donald Trump before departing for Baltimore County, Maryland, on October 6. Jonathan Ernst/Reuters

甚至在处决直播之前,海格塞斯就一直是争议的中心,白宫对其中的许多争议不予理睬挥之不去,但有些争议在白宫官员甚至其他一些内阁成员中留下了挥之不去的焦虑。

Hegseth has been at the center of controversies even before the execution livestream, many of which the White House has brushed off, but some have left a lingering unease among White House officials and even some other Cabinet members.

其中一个问题是Signal聊天丑闻,在这起事件中,就在美军对也门胡塞武装发动打击几小时前,海格塞斯在一个Signal信息应用中与高级政府官员分享了具体的作战细节。他的信息详细列出了2025年3月15日行动前确切的时间表和目标监视情况。海格塞斯和该群组的人并不知道,《大西洋月刊》的主编也是该聊天群的成员。

One such issue is the Signal chat scandal, in which Hegseth shared specific operational details with senior administration officials in a Signal messaging app just hours before the US military carried out strikes on Houthi rebels in Yemen. His messages laid out exact timelines and target surveillance prior to the March 15, 2025, operation. Unbeknownst to Hegseth and the group, the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic was part of the chat.

在风波发生后,总统当时的国家安全顾问迈克·沃尔茨承受了特朗普的大部分怒火,但许多顾问当时认为,海格塞斯本应面临更严厉的惩罚。

The president’s then-national security adviser Mike Waltz took the brunt of Trump’s ire following the controversy, but many advisers thought at the time Hegseth should have faced stronger repercussions.

“这些人记性很好,”一名特朗普的顾问对美国有线电视新闻网说。

“These people have long memories,” one Trump adviser told CNN.

海格塞斯急于对伊朗开战以及他撤换高级军事官员的做法,也让他与总统的一些高级顾问产生分歧。

Hegseth’s eagerness to go to war with Iran and his removal of high-ranking military officials have also put him at odds with some senior advisers to the president.

在向伊朗投下第一批炸弹前的紧要关头,海格塞斯是军事干预最狂热的鼓吹者之一。

In the immediate lead-up to the first bombs being dropped on Iran, Hegseth was one of the biggest cheerleaders for military intervention.

美国有线电视新闻网当时报道称,在内部辩论展开的同时,海格塞斯不仅认可了特朗普推进计划的想法,还淡化了冲突失控固有的风险——这一现实如今已经成为事实。

While the debate played out internally, Hegseth not only validated Trump’s idea to move forward, he downplayed the inherent risks of the conflict spiraling, CNN reported at the time — a reality that’s now come to fruition.

白宫首席副新闻秘书安娜·凯利在一份声明中表示,白宫和五角大楼“在确保将杀害13名无辜民众的邪恶叛徒尼达尔·马利克·哈桑绳之以法方面完全一致”。她表示:“海格塞斯部长在领导五角大楼方面做得很出色——‘史诗之怒行动’、‘绝对决心行动’和‘午夜重锤行动’的结果不言自明,”她指的是美军在伊朗和委内瑞拉的军事行动。

White House principal deputy press secretary Anna Kelly said in a statement that the White House and Pentagon “are fully aligned on ensuring justice is brought to evil traitor Nidal Malik Hasan who killed 13 innocent people.”“Secretary Hegseth is doing a great job leading the Pentagon — and the results of Operations Epic Fury, Absolute Resolve and Midnight Hammer speak for themselves,” she said, referencing US military operations in Iran and Venezuela.

围绕胡德堡枪击案的小插曲再次引发了人们对海格塞斯行事风格的一些不满。值得注意的是,万斯是最早公开对海格塞斯直播死刑计划表示怀疑的人之一,而万斯本人对2028年大选的野心给所有可能的竞争者都投下了阴影。

The episode over the Fort Hood shooter has resurfaced some of these frustrations over Hegseth’s movements. And, notably, it was Vance, whose own 2028 ambitions cast a shadow over all possible contenders, who was among the first to publicly express doubt about Hegseth’s plans to livestream an execution.

“我的意思是,听着,如果是通过直播进行的话,我是不会看的,”万斯说。

“I mean, look, if it’s all through live stream, I’m not going to be watching it,” Vance said.

转向政坛对海格塞斯而言并非新鲜事。在加入福克斯新闻之前,他于2012年在明尼苏达州竞选参议员,当时他正领导一个保守派退伍军人倡导组织。

A turn to politics would not be new for Hegseth. Before joining Fox News, he ran for Senate in Minnesota in 2012, when he was leading a conservative veterans’ advocacy group.

皮特·海格塞斯,时任共和党参议员候选人,摄于2012年3月。 Bruce Bisping/Star Tribune/Getty Images/FilePete Hegseth, then a Republican Senate candidate, in March 2012. Bruce Bisping/Star Tribune/Getty Images/File

海格塞斯参议员竞选团队的一位顾问告诉美国有线电视新闻网,海格塞斯当年32岁,虽然是一名年轻的候选人,但在竞选活动中展现出了天生的才能。

An adviser for Hegeth’s Senate campaign told CNN that while Hegseth was a young candidate at 32 years old, he had natural talent on the campaign trail.

“皮特在竞选造势时表现得很棒,”这位要求匿名以坦率讨论海格塞斯参议院竞选的顾问说,“他是那种和你说话时就真的在和你说话的人。他有这种惊人的能力。他的目光会专注于你。”但海格塞斯最终在该年的明尼苏达州共和党代表大会后退出了竞选,当时他作为一名避开2012年共和党总统候选人龙·保罗的自由意志主义倾向意识形态的候选人,在党内提名中输给了库尔特·比尔斯。

“Pete was great on the stump,” said the adviser, who requested anonymity to candidly discuss Hegseth’s Senate campaign. “He’s one of those people that when he’s talking to you, he’s talking to you. He has an amazing ability to do that. His eyes are focused on you.”But Hegseth ultimately dropped out of the race after the Minnesota GOP convention that year, when he lost the party’s nomination to Kurt Bills, as a candidate who eschewed 2012 GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul’s libertarian-leaning ideology.

海格塞斯现在在得克萨斯州以外的田纳西州拥有一处住宅,这个州要温和得多,更能接受特朗普式的政治。

Hegseth now owns a home in Tennessee, a state much more amenable to Trump’s brand of politics.

特朗普上周末在田纳西州克拉克斯维尔举行了一场集会,有关海格塞斯政治未来的种种疑问有时已成为其五角大楼卸任后职业生涯的猜测素材。这种猜测有时会加剧,比如当海格塞斯的提名因过去有关性侵指控的爆料而危及之时——海格塞斯已对此多次予以否认——以及在他作为国防部长开局不顺而面临早期审视的期间。

Trump held a rally last weekend in Clarksville, Tennessee, where questions about Hegseth’s political future have at times become fodder for speculation for his post-Pentagon career. That speculation has intensified at times, like when Hegseth’s nomination was jeopardized by revelations about a past accusation of sexual assault — which Hegseth has repeatedly denied — and during early scrutiny of his uneven start as defense secretary.

但那里的共和党官员表示,海格塞斯并未采取任何表明他正密切关注在那里竞选公职的举动。

But GOP officials there say Hegseth hasn’t made any moves that would suggest he’s eyeing a run for office there.

“我个人非常希望他在未来某个时候竞选公职。但老实说,并没有太多讨论,”田纳西州克拉克斯维尔的州众议员阿伦·梅伯里说,“但我们爱他。我们很高兴他在华盛顿的战争部,而且是一名田纳西州人。”该州的一位高级共和党官员表示,除了坊间传闻和意图揣测外,当海格塞斯在参议院的确认投票处于危险之中时,从未有过关于他可能回当地竞选州长或参议员的任何严肃讨论。

“I, for one, would love him to run for office at some point in the future. But honestly, there’s not been a lot of talk,” said state Rep. Aron Maberry of Clarksville, Tennessee. “But we love him. And we are excited that he’s in DC in the Department of War and a Tennessean.”A senior GOP official in the state said that other than some rumors and intrigue, there was never any serious discussion about Hegseth potentially running for governor or senator back when his confirmation vote in the Senate was in jeopardy.

这位官员从未感觉到海格塞斯或他身边任何人正在争取县党部主席的支持,也从未感觉到来自华盛顿的压力在帮他寻找一个安全的着陆点。

The official never got the sense that Hegseth or anyone close to him was lining up support from county chairs or that there was pressure coming from Washington to help him find a safe landing spot.

国防部长皮特·海格塞斯于2月19日在田纳西州纳什维尔举行的2026年国际基督教媒体大会上发表讲话。 Seth Herald/ReutersSecretary of Defense Pete Hegseth speaks at the 2026 International Christian Media Convention in Nashville, Tennessee, on February 19. Seth Herald/Reuters

如果他现在离开五角大楼,转向田纳西州政治,他也可能会面临同样的挑战。

He could have the same challenge turning to Tennessee politics now, should he leave the Pentagon.

田纳西州数字媒体出版物《三星日报》的保守派政治评论员、编辑兼出版商史蒂夫·吉尔说:“他最大的挑战在于,他是明尼苏达人,也是华盛顿人,他与田纳西州没有真正的联系。如果他想建立这种人脉和支持基础,他还有很多工作要做。我目前还没有看到任何他正在这样做的迹象。”在特朗普的田纳西州集会上,海格塞斯赢得了“让美国再次伟大”(MAGA)忠实支持者的普遍高度评价。CNN采访的许多与会者都与附近的坎贝尔堡有着紧密联系,并赞同海格塞斯对军队进行的全面整顿。

“His biggest challenge is, he’s a Minnesota guy, he’s a DC guy, he doesn’t have real Tennessee ties,” said Steve Gill, a conservative political commentator and editor and publisher of TriStar Daily, a digital media publication in Tennessee. “He has work to do if he wants to create that base of connections and support. I’m not seeing any indications yet that he’s doing that.”At Trump’s Tennessee rally, Hegseth received mostly rave reviews from the MAGA faithful. Many attendees CNN spoke with had close ties to nearby Fort Campbell and approved of Hegseth’s military overhaul.

克里斯·格雷姆普尔是一家学校的老板,该校负责教导第160特种作战航空团的成员驾驶装甲车。他在特朗普的集会上对CNN表示,自从海格塞斯接管五角大楼以来,现役军人的士气有了明显改善。

Kris Grempler is the owner of a school that teaches members of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment how to drive armored vehicles. Speaking to CNN at Trump’s rally, he said that morale among service members is noticeably improved since Hegseth took over the Pentagon.

格雷姆普尔说:“我简直太喜欢他了。你看,他仍然能和这些小伙子们一起进行体能训练什么的,他就是——他是一个纯粹的硬汉。这些部队非常喜欢这样。”

“I love him to death. You know, getting to see him like do PT and stuff with these guys still, like he’s just — he’s a guy’s guy. And these troops love that,” Grempler said.

坎贝尔堡国防部学校47岁的教师埃米莉·维埃拉表示,她认为海格塞斯在政坛可能会有前途。她说:“我完全能看得到。我毫不犹豫地认为他能做到。他是个极佳的沟通者,能够以引起人们共鸣的方式传递和传达信息。”

Emily Vierra, 47, a teacher at a Department of Defense school at Fort Campbell, said she thinks Hegseth could have a future in politics. “I can see it 100%. I can see him doing it in a heartbeat,” she said. “He’s a great communicator, able to deliver and relay the message in a way that resonates with people.”

维埃拉在克拉克斯维尔等待特朗普到来时说:“我认为他不需要改变任何事情。我认为他需要保持真实,做回自己。”但特朗普的田纳西州集会上也存在一些怀疑态度。来自纳什维尔的22岁服务员亨特·米德说,海格塞斯给他留下了过度作秀的印象,他指出这位国防部长今年早些时候在国民警卫队部署期间曾在孟菲斯露面。他还觉得动画喜剧剧集《南方公园》最近将海格塞斯刻画为一个沉迷于社交媒体的粗人,具有令人觉得好笑的准确性。

“I don’t think he needs to change a thing,” Vierra said as she waited for Trump to arrive in Clarksville. “I think he needs to be authentic and true to who he is.”But there was also some skepticism at Trump’s Tennessee rally. Hunter Meade, a 22-year-old server from Nashville, said that Hegseth struck him as overly performative, pointing to the defense secretary’s appearance in Memphis during a National Guard deployment earlier this year. He also found the animated comedy series South Park’s recent portrayal of Hegseth as a social-media obsessed brute amusingly accurate.

因此,米德表示,如果赫格塞斯竞选公职,他会保持开放的心态,但他对此持怀疑态度。“我在个人或作为领导者层面上关心皮特·赫格塞斯吗?并不是特别关心,”米德说,“我认为他更像是为了作秀。”

So while Meade said he’d keep an open mind if Hegseth ran for office, he has his doubts. “Do I care for Pete Hegseth as a person or as a leader? Not particularly,” Meade said. “I think he’s more like for show.”