密歇根州共和党参议院候选人迈克·罗杰斯与特朗普总统关于放弃对俄罗斯制裁的决定产生分歧。他加入了达纳·巴什的节目，讨论密歇根州激烈的参议院竞选以及特朗普总统称其对手阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛义德为“圣战者”的言论。埃尔-赛义德持反对立场。我的下一位嘉宾现在就在这里，他是共和党参议院候选人、前众议员迈克·罗杰斯。
Michigan Republican Senate Candidate Mike Rogers breaks with President Trump’s decision to waive Russian sanctions. He joins Dana Bash to discuss the close Senate race in Michigan and President Trump calling his opponent, Abdul El-Sayed, a “jihadist.”EL-SAYED AGAINST. MY NEXT GUEST HERE WITH ME NOW IS REPUBLICAN SENATE CANDIDATE, FORMER CONGRESSMAN MIKE ROGERS.
非常感谢您的到来。我确实想从今天的重大新闻开始，那就是特朗普总统在周五放弃了参议院压倒性通过的对俄罗斯的制裁，而您正是希望在那里任职的参议员。这是一个错误吗？是的 >> 好吧，那就是我不应该站的地方。我会投赞成票支持该制裁法案。您知道，如果总统有更好的办法让柴油价格下降，我会支持它。
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I DO WANT TO START WITH THE BIG NEWS OF THE DAY, WHICH IS PRESIDENT TRUMP WAIVED RUSSIAN SANCTIONS ON FRIDAY THAT WERE OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED BY THE SENATE, WHERE YOU WANT TO SERVE. IS THAT A MISTAKE? YEAH >> WELL, THAT'S JUST NOT WHERE I WOULD BE. I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE SANCTIONS BILL. YOU KNOW, IF THE PRESIDENT HAS A BETTER IDEA TO GET DIESEL PRICES DOWN, I'D BE FOR IT.
我只是有点怀疑这套方案是否能按政府希望的方式起作用。而且我们在这里的密歇根州正付出相当沉重的代价。我们必须把这些价格压下来，这就是为什么我说，嘿，是时候结束伊朗冲突了。我们必须解决这个问题。我们最初的目标已经达成。让我们收尾。让我们把这些价格拉回去。让人们口袋里多装点钱。 >> 您是否担心这一举动以及他本周所做的其他举动表明，正如您的一些共和党同僚所说，他看起来更像是站在俄罗斯一边而不是乌克兰一边？
I'M JUST A LITTLE SKEPTICAL THAT THIS WILL WORK IN THE WAY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS IT TO WORK. AND WE'RE PAYING A PRETTY HEAVY PRICE HERE IN MICHIGAN. WE'VE GOT TO GET THESE PRICES DOWN, WHICH IS WHY I CALLED TO, HEY, IT'S TIME TO WRAP UP THE IRAN CONFLICT. WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS THING SETTLED. OUR INITIAL OBJECTIVES HAVE BEEN MET. LET'S WRAP IT UP. LET'S GET THESE PRICES BACK DOWN. LET'S GET PEOPLE PUTTING A LITTLE MORE MONEY IN THEIR WALLETS. >> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THIS MOVE AND OTHER MOVES THAT HE HAS MADE THIS WEEK SUGGEST THAT, AS SOME OF YOUR FELLOW REPUBLICANS HAVE SAID, THAT HE'S LOOKING LIKE HE'S MORE ON THE SIDE OF RUSSIA THAN UKRAINE? >> NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
不，我不这么认为。我认为他试图做的是降低价格，同时仍然应对一个希望重新拥有核武器的伊朗政权。我认为这只会增加地缘政治舞台的复杂性。在我看来，总统正试图做点什么来降低柴油价格。再说一次，我想看到柴油价格下降，这就是为什么我在这里的美国呼吁实施临时柴油出口禁令，对农业用柴油提供回扣，我当选后就必须这么做，我也会这么做。
I THINK WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS GET PRICES DOWN AND STILL DEAL WITH AN IRANIAN REGIME THAT WANTS TO GET BACK TO HAVING A NUCLEAR WEAPON. AND I THINK THAT JUST ADDS COMPLEXITY TO THE GEOPOLITICAL STAGE. AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE PRESIDENT'S TRYING TO DO SOMETHING TO BRING DOWN DIESEL PRICES. AND AGAIN, I WANT DIESEL PRICES DOWN, WHICH IS WHY I'VE CALLED FOR A TEMPORARY DIESEL EXPORT BAN HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, A REBATE FOR AGRICULTURAL DIESEL USE, WHICH I'D HAVE TO DO WHEN I GET ELECTED, AND I WILL.
所以我一直在努力参加。我确实担心这件事的外观。我想知道他的动机是什么，他的动机是什么。试图让柴油价格回落。柴油正在伤害我们。你知道，九月和十月是密歇根州收获的两个最大月份，该州是全国第二大多样化作物产地。大多数人不知道这一点。因此，这两个月对我们来说真的非常关键，我们的农民因为柴油价格而外出收割庄稼的成本并不好。
AND SO I'VE TRIED TO COME I DO WORRY ABOUT THE OPTICS OF IT. I WONDER WHAT HIS MOTIVES ARE AND HIS MOTIVES ARE. TRY TO GET PRICES BACK DOWN ON DIESEL. DIESEL IS HURTING US. YOU KNOW, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER ARE THE TWO BIGGEST HARVEST MONTHS FOR MICHIGAN, THE SECOND MOST DIVERSE CROP IN THE COUNTRY COMES OUT OF MICHIGAN. MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT. AND SO THESE ARE TWO REALLY CRITICAL MONTHS FOR US AND THE COSTS FOR OUR FARMERS TO GET OUT THERE AND GET THE CROPS OUT OF THE FIELD BECAUSE OF THE PRICE OF DIESEL IS, IS NOT GREAT. AND IT'S REALLY HARD ON A FAMILY WHO'S SHOWING UP AT THE GROCERY STORE WONDERING WHY PRICES HAVEN'T COME DOWN. >> BUT THE COST OF DIESEL IS HIGH, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE IRAN WAR. RIGHT.
而且这对一个在杂货店购物、想知道为什么价格还没下来的家庭来说真的很难。>> 但柴油价格高企，主要是因为伊朗战争。没错。以及霍尔木兹海峡的关闭，或者至少是通行困难，而不是俄罗斯。
AND THE CLOSURE, OR AT LEAST THE DIFFICULTY IN THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, NOT RUSSIA. >> WELL, WE'RE ALSO SEEING INDIA AND CHINA PLAY A ROLE IN THESE HIGH DIESEL PRICES. IT'S NOT JUST IRAN IS DEFINITELY A CAUSE OF THIS, BUT THERE'S OTHER CAUSES GEOPOLITICALLY THAT ARE ALSO RAISING PRICES. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THEIR CONCLUSION WAS. BUT AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE SANCTIONS BILL ON RUSSIA. I DON'T THINK WE CAN GIVE PUTIN AN INCH, AND WE'LL SEE.
“嗯，我们也看到印度和中国在这些高柴油价格中发挥了作用。这不仅仅是伊朗肯定是原因，还有其他地缘政治原因也在推高价格。我想这大概就是他们的结论。但同样，我会投票支持对俄罗斯的制裁法案。我认为我们不能对普京退让一步，我们拭目以待。你知道，如果策略奏效，嘿，那对他好，因为这意味着我们在美国这里买柴油会更便宜。”
YOU KNOW, IF THE STRATEGY WORKS, HEY, GOOD ON HIM BECAUSE THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO PAY LESS FOR DIESEL HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. >> LET'S TALK MORE BROADLY ABOUT THE ECONOMY, WHICH YOU'VE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES. WOULD YOU SAY MICHIGANDERS ARE BETTER OFF NOW ECONOMICALLY THAN THEY WERE TWO YEARS AGO BEFORE PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK OFFICE AGAIN >> WELL, OUR LONG TERM PROSPECTS, YES, WE ARE, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO THROUGH THE SOME OF THE TARIFFS, THE CHEVY SILVERADO WAS BEING BUILT IN MEXICO. THEY JUST NOW MOVED THAT BACK TO MICHIGAN.
“让我们更广泛地谈谈经济，你提过好几次了。你会说密歇根州人现在的经济状况比两年前特朗普总统再次就职前更好吗？”
THAT'S A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT IN MICHIGAN. REMEMBER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS WE'VE LOST 27,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS. THE REST OF THE COUNTRY HAS GAINED SOMETHING LIKE 100,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS.
“嗯，我们的长期前景，是的，我们更好，因为我们能够通过一些关税，雪佛兰Silverado皮卡原本在墨西哥生产，现在刚刚搬回了密歇根州。这是对密歇根州的数十亿美元投资。记住，过去八年我们失去了2.7万个制造业岗位。而全国其他地区增加了大约10万个制造业岗位。所以，过去八年里，民主党一直控制着密歇根州的两个参议院席位。这就是为什么人们在这里寻求改变。如果我们不改变这个结果，如果我们不保住就业岗位，自2000年以来我们在制造业失去了20万个岗位，我们的中位数工资下降了1万美元，低于全国平均水平。我把这直接与制造业损失联系起来，随着新工厂的落成和供应链回流，底特律柴油现在正在增加第三个班次。他们二十年都没有这样做了。所有这一切对我们的长期利益和经济来说都非常重要。当战争结束，它终将结束，我也呼吁它结束，猜猜怎么着？价格会下降。届时密歇根州将处于非常有利的位置，去竞争下一代先进制造业。”
SO DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL HERE IN BOTH SENATE SEATS FOR A QUARTER CENTURY IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS IN MICHIGAN. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE HERE. IF WE DON'T CHANGE THIS OUTCOME, IF WE DON'T KEEP JOBS, 200,000 JOBS WE'VE LOST IN MANUFACTURING SINCE 2000, OUR MEDIAN WAGE SLIPPED TO $10,000 BELOW THE MEDIAN AVERAGE.
你的回答是长期的，但显然你一直在非常关注人们短期的感受。消费者价格上涨的速度快于人们的工资增长，这意味着美国人没有跟上生活成本的步伐，更别提汽油价格了，你已经多次提到过。汽油价格已经超过每加仑4美元，并且持续了几个月。所以这里和这里。
I TIE THAT DIRECTLY TO OUR MANUFACTURING LOSS WITH THAT NEW PLANT COMING WITH A RESHORING HAPPENING IN OUR SUPPLIERS. I MEAN, DETROIT DIESEL IS NOW ADDING A THIRD SHIFT. THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN TWO DECADES. SO ALL OF THAT IS, IS REALLY INCREBLIMPORTANT FOR OUR LONG TERM BENEFIT AND THE ECONOMY. WHEN THE WAR IS OVER AND IT WILL END, AND I'VE CALLED FOR IT TO END, GUESS WHAT? PRICES ARE COMING DOWN.
没有。毫无疑问，这就是你所面临的情况。>> 那么他们现在情况更好吗？>> 现在？你必须明白，在密歇根州正在发生的事情。我理解。这确实不容易，尤其是在你买杂货的时候也不容易。但你必须记住，在拜登政府时期，通胀率达到9%，首次达到每加仑5.07美元的汽油价格只是两年前的事。因此，如果你考虑密歇根州居民所经历的影响，我们曾尝试过另一种体系——绿色新政，或者说绿色原始交易，我可以说，这导致了能源价格上涨、公用事业价格上涨、每加仑上涨0.20美元，他们正在呼吁提高汽油价格。所以当战争结束，我们恢复过来时，我们正在让自己恢复活力。或者华盛顿的共和党人正试图让事情走上正轨，以便我们能够充分利用它——实现更低的价格、更低的能源价格、更广泛地获取美国能源。所有这些都将有所帮助。他们明白这一点。呃，我交谈的大多数人对成本感到沮丧。你猜谁不是？当你每加仑要支付超过4美元的时候？这就是为什么我呼吁实施每加仑减税70美分的假期。
AND THEN WE'RE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE IN MICHIGAN TO COMPETE FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING. >> SO YOUR ANSWER WAS THE LONG TERM, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE RUNNING VERY MUCH HOW PEOPLE ARE FEELING IN THE SHORT TERM. CONSUMER PRICES ARE RISING AT A FASTER RATE THAN PEOPLE'S WAGES, MEANING AMERICANS ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE COST OF LIVING, NOT TO MENTION THE GAS PRICES, WHICH YOU'VE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES. THEY'RE ABOVE $4 A GALLON, HAVE BEEN FOR MONTHS. SO THE HERE AND THE. >> NO. DOUBT ABOUT IT, WHAT YOU'RE FACING. >> SO ARE THEY BETTER OFF. >> RIGHT NOW? HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HERE HAPPENING IN MICHIGAN THOUGH. AND I GET IT. THAT'S THAT'S THE IT'S NOT EASY AND IT'S NOT EASY WHEN YOU'RE BUYING GROCERIES. BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, 9% INFLATION, FIRST TIME WE HIT $5.07 A GALLON WAS JUST TWO SHORT YEARS AGO. AND SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS THAT MICHIGANDERS HAVE LIVED THROUGH, WE TRIED THIS OTHER SYSTEM OF THE GREEN NEW DEAL, THE GREEN RAW DEAL, I WOULD SAY WITH HIGHER ENERGY PRICES, HIGHER UTILITY PRICES, $0.20 A GALLON, THEY'RE CALLING FOR AN INCREASE IN GAS. SO WHEN THE WAR ENDS AND WE GET BACK, WE'RE GETTING OURSELVES IN SHAPE. OR THE REPUBLICANS IN WASHINGTON ARE TRYING TO GET IT IN SHAPE SO THAT WE HAVE WE CAN TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT LOWER PRICES, LOWER ENERGY PRICES, MORE ACCESS TO AMERICAN ENERGY. ALL OF THAT WILL HELP US. THEY GET IT. UH, MOST PEOPLE I TALK TO ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THE COSTS. YOU BET WHO ISN'T? WHEN YOU'RE PAYING OVER FOUR BUCKS A GALLON? THAT'S WHY I CALLED FOR A 70 CENT A GALLON TAX HOLIDAY.
听，我们正在尽力做我们能做的事情。顺便说一下，你知道谁投了反对那项免税假期的票吗？兰辛的民主党人。因此他们希望价格保持高位。这就是他们的常用手段。我们正试图改变这一点。这是一次变革选举。如果你想要更好的经济，你希望你的孩子留在这里。如果你希望你的孩子重新开始阅读，现在就是时候。>> 众议员。
LISTEN, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS THAT WE CAN. AND BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW WHO VOTED AGAINST THAT TAX HOLIDAY? DEMOCRATS IN LANSING. AND SO THEY WANT PRICES HIGH. THIS IS THEIR MODUS OPERANDI. WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. THIS IS A CHANGE ELECTION. IF YOU WANT BETTER ECONOMY YOU WANT YOUR KIDS TO STAY HERE. IF YOU WANT YOUR KIDS READING AGAIN, THIS IS THE TIME. >> CONGRESSMAN. I DO WANT TO I DO WANT TO MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.
我确实想……我确实想转向其他事情。我想播放特朗普总统在周五晚上集会上对阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛耶德所说的话 >> 他的名字实际上是阿卜杜拉·阿卜杜拉。是阿卜杜拉·巴赫·巴赫·巴赫·巴赫·穆罕默德·埃尔-赛耶德。所以他的中间名是穆罕默德。所以我几乎是对的。哦，顺便说一下，那个家伙怎么样？他是个圣战者。>> 总统实际上在称你的对手为恐怖分子。
I WANT TO PLAY WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID ABOUT ABDUL EL-SAYED AT A RALLY FRIDAY NIGHT >> HIS NAME IS ACTUALLY ABDULLAH ABDULLAH. IT'S ABDULLAH BAH BAH BAH BAH BAH MOHAMMED EL-SAYED. SO HIS MIDDLE NAME IS MOHAMMED. SO I WAS RIGHT ALMOST. OH, BY THE WAY, HOW ABOUT THAT GUY? HE'S A JIHADIST. >> PRESIDENT IS EFFECTIVELY CALLING YOUR OPPONENT A TERRORIST.
你是前FBI特工，曾任众议院情报委员会主席。你对此感到舒适吗？>> 听，我从未称他为恐怖分子。我穿着美利坚合众国的军装，是为了让人们能够以他们想要的任何方式祈祷。这不是这里的问题。真正成为问题的是他与穆斯林兄弟会的关系及其家庭关系，而穆斯林兄弟会在五个穆斯林国家被禁止。呃，你知道，他想扮演受害者。
YOU'RE A FORMER SPECIAL AGENT WITH THE FBI, FORMER INTELLIGENCE CHAIR IN THE HOUSE. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT >> LISTEN, I'VE NEVER CALLED HIM A TERRORIST. I WORE THE UNIFORM OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SO PEOPLE CAN PRAY ANY WAY THEY WANT. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE. WHAT HAS BECOME THE ISSUE IS HIS RELATIONSHIP AND HIS FAMILY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, WHICH IS BANNED IN FIVE MUSLIM COUNTRIES. UH, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO PLAY THE VICTIM.
这不是关于那点。这是关于你的思维方式，而不是你的祈祷方式。这是关于你的意识形态以及它有多危险。我的意思是，他长期以来一直在支持穆斯林兄弟会，而穆斯林兄弟会，顺便说一下，削弱了女性在社会中的角色，就像他们在2012年和2013年接管埃及时所做的那样。他支持那个政权，众议员。他呼吁清洗媒体。
THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. THIS IS ABOUT THE WAY YOU THINK, NOT THE WAY YOU PRAY. THIS IS ABOUT YOUR IDEOLOGY AND HOW DANGEROUS IT IS. I MEAN, HE HAS A LONG HISTORY OF SUPPORTING THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, WHICH, BY THE WAY, DIMINISHES WOMEN'S ROLE IN SOCIETY, JUST AS THEY DID WHEN THEY TOOK OVER IN EGYPT IN 2012 AND 2013. HE SUPPORTED THAT REGIME, CONGRESSMAN. HE CALLED FOR THE PURGING OF THE PRESS.
他呼吁清洗警察。>> 众议员。>> 我想回到媒体问题。我将开始审视这一点。>> 我想回到总统所说的话。而你……>> 你说你不同意？我不代表总统发言。我不代表总统。你希望他不去做他即将要做的事情吗？
HE CALLED FOR PURGING OF POLICE. >> CONGRESSMAN. >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PRESS. I'D START LOOKING AT THIS. >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. AND YOU'RE. >> SAYING THAT YOU DISAGREE? I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE PRESIDENT. I DON'T REPRESENT THE PRESIDENT. DO YOU WISH THAT HE DIDN'T DO WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO?
我正在这里的密歇根州参加我的竞选，达纳。我正在密歇根州参加我的竞选。>> 我希望他不会那样做。>> 我知道你们希望这件事围绕特朗普。但这件事是关于那些寻求希望和机遇的密歇根州居民。>> 总统。>> 我们四年级的学生中有很多人无法阅读。而四年级。这意味着他们有70%的概率最终会进监狱，插入。>> 他自己在那场竞选中。
I'M RUNNING MY RACE RIGHT HERE IN MICHIGAN, DANA. I'M RUNNING MY RACE IN MICHIGAN. >> I WISH THAT HE DIDN'T. >> I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT THIS TO BE ABOUT TRUMP. THIS IS ABOUT MICHIGANDERS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HOPE AND OPPORTUNITY. >> THE PRESIDENT. >> OF OUR FOURTH GRADERS CAN'T READ. AND THE FOURTH GRADE. THAT MEANS YOU HAVE A 70% CHANCE OF GOING TO PRISON, INSERTING. >> HIMSELF IN THAT RACE. >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT RIGHT HERE IN MICHIGAN. >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND I'VE BEEN THERE, AND I KNOW THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT. THE PRESIDENT IS INSERTING HIMSELF IN THAT RACE BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH EVERY TIME HE TALKS, HE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT ABDUL EL-SAYED.
这就是我们在这里密歇根州所担心的。>> 是的，我理解我曾经历过，我知道这就是人们所担心的。总统之所以插入那场竞选，是因为几乎每次他说话时，他都会提到阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛德。你提到过他说他与穆斯林兄弟会有关联。他昨晚在一次市政厅会议上被具体问及他是否会否认穆斯林兄弟会。我想听听那段录音。>> 我有一个简单的问题。
YOU MENTIONED THAT HE YOU SAID THAT HE HAS HAD TIES TO THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. HE WAS ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHETHER HE WOULD DISAVOW THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AT A TOWN HALL LAST NIGHT. I WANT TO LISTEN TO IT >> I HAVE ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. >> SURE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT I WANT I WANT TO ASK TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING, WHY ARE YOU ASKING THE QUESTION? >> BECAUSE THEY'RE A TERRORIST. >> OKAY. NO, NO, BUT WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING? DO YOU ASSUME THAT I WOULDN'T? YES.
“当然。是的，绝对。但我想我想问你在问的问题，你为什么要问这个问题？”“因为他们是恐怖分子。”
WHY NOT? HAVE YOU DISAVOWED THEM? I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU DISAVOWED THEM YET. DO YOU? GREAT. BUT HERE'S THE THING ABOUT IT.
“好吧。不，不，但你在暗示什么？你是认为我不会吗？是的。为什么不会？你否认过他们吗？我还没听你说否认过他们。你否认吗？很好。但问题在于。你问这个问题，是因为你潜意识里认为我会有双重忠诚，对吧？你认为我怎么也不会否认。”
YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE IMPLICITLY YOU ASSUME THAT I'LL HAVE DUAL LOYALTIES, RIGHT? YOU ASSUME THAT SOMEHOW I WOULDN'T DISAVOW. >> SO HE SAID YES, SURE.
“他说是的，当然。他质问了选民，并说选民只问他，是因为他是个穆斯林。所以哈桑·派克，他真的来到这个州，他把他带到这里多次。五场不同的活动，带他去了大学校园。这个人充满仇恨和恶毒，不仅针对犹太裔美国人，也针对黑人美国人。你听听他的言论。这个人坏透了。他说他对自己的回答感到兴奋，因为他没有否认穆斯林兄弟会。他没有否认。他开始胡言乱语，试图绕过这个事实。”
CHALLENGED THE VOTER AND SAID THE VOTER ONLY ASKED HIM BECAUSE HE'S. >> A MUSLIM SO HASAN PIKER, WHO REALLY CAME TO THE STATE, HE HAD HIM HERE MULTIPLE TIMES. FIVE DIFFERENT EVENTS, TOOK HIM TO COLLEGE CAMPUSES. THIS GUY IS FULL OF HATE AND VITRIOL, NOT ONLY FOR JEWISH AMERICANS, FOR BLACK AMERICANS.
“他否认了。他否认了。”“说他不能。”“去做吧。他说，当然。”“是啊，这不真实。达娜，听着。”“我没有，我没有，我。”“别。”“我不想和你辩论，你这么急切地想要保护他。”“这个人。”
YOU LISTEN TO HIS COMMENTS. THIS GUY IS AS VILE AS THEY COME. HE HAS SAID HE HE WAS EXCITED ABOUT HIS ANSWER BECAUSE HE DID NOT DISAVOW THE MUSLIM BROTHER. HE DIDN'T DISAVOW IT. HE GOES ON THIS WORD SALAD, TRYING TO GET AROUND THE FACT. >> HE DID. HE DID. >> SAY HE CAN'T. >> DO IT. HE SAID, SURE.
“议员，我只是想说，这是一种意识形态。我的观点是，这种意识形态是我们应该担心的事情。”
YEAH, THAT'S NOT TRUE. DANA, LISTEN. >> I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I. >> DON'T. >> I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE WITH >> YOU SO EAGER FOR HIM TO PROTECT. >> THIS GUY. >> CONGRESSMAN, I JUST WANT TO IT'S AN IDEOLOGY.
我认为是的。>>为什么？>>这是一种意识形态。这与他是否是穆斯林无关。事实上，该州的穆斯林经常致电我们办公室，他们说我们……我们非常害怕，一个持有这种意识形态的人会进入美国参议院。我的意思是，这些话来自密歇根州的穆斯林，更不用说那五个禁止穆斯林兄弟会的国家了。他摆脱不了这一点。他的资金来自一个名为“关怀”的组织——即支持穆斯林兄弟会的美国伊斯兰关系委员会。
MY ARGUMENT IS, IS THAT IDEOLOGY IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT. I THINK IT IS. >> WHY? >> IT'S AN IDEOLOGY. IT'S NOT ABOUT HIM BEING A MUSLIM. MATTER OF FACT, MUSLIMS HERE IN THE STATE CALL OUR OFFICE A LOT AND SAY WE. WE'RE TERRIFIED THAT A GUY WITH THIS IDEOLOGY GOES TO THE UNITED STATES SENATE. I MEAN, THAT'S THESE ARE COMING FROM MUSLIMS IN MICHIGAN, LET ALONE THE FIVE COUNTRIES THAT BANNED THE MUSLIM MOTHERHOOD BROTHERHOOD. HE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM IT. HIS MONEY COMES FROM A GROUP CALLED CARE, THE COUNCIL FOR AMERICAN ISLAMIC RELATIONS THAT SUPPORTS THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.
没错，他确实从这些团体那里获得资金。如果你听到这些，那就不是他否认了。他没有说不，他也没有说……这让我担心的是，他们——嗯——在穆斯林兄弟会对伊斯兰教法的观点下，对待女性有所不同。他没有说这些。他之所以没说，是因为他不会说，也不能说。
RIGHT. HE HAS MONEY COMING FROM THESE GROUPS. AND IF YOU LISTEN TO THAT, THAT'S NOT A HE DIDN'T DISAVOW IT. HE DIDN'T SAY NO, HE DIDN'T SAY. IT WORRIES ME THAT THEY, UH, TREAT WOMEN DIFFERENTLY UNDER THE THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD'S VIEW OF SHARIA LAW. HE DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THAT. HE DIDN'T BECAUSE HE WON'T. AND HE CAN'T.
事实上，这是他在本次选举中唯一没有改变观点的事情。>> 你正在努力争取尚未支持阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛耶德的黑人选民。你昨天就在底特律开设了竞选办事处，这对共和党人来说是不寻常的。下周，奥巴马总统将来为他助选。你担心这会削弱你所取得的进展吗，尤其是在黑人社区？而这对你试图建立的这种新型联盟有多么关键？
MATTER OF FACT, IT'S THE ONLY THING HE HASN'T CHANGED HIS OPINION ON IN THIS ELECTION. >> YOU ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO APPEAL TO BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE NOT YET SOLD ON ABDUL EL-SAYED. YOU OPENED A CAMPAIGN OFFICE IN DETROIT JUST YESTERDAY, WHICH IS UNUSUAL FOR A REPUBLICAN. NEXT WEEK, PRESIDENT OBAMA IS COMING TO CAMPAIGN WITH HIM. ARE YOU WORRIED THAT THAT WILL BLUNT THE INROADS THAT YOU'RE MAKING, ESPECIALLY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY? AND HOW CRITICAL IS THAT FOR THIS NEW KIND OF COALITION YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD? >> WELL, THE COALITIONS I HAVE TO TELL YOU ARE VERY, VERY EXCITING, HUGE OPPORTUNITIES.
嗯，我必须告诉你，我所要建立的联盟非常、非常令人兴奋，充满巨大机遇。而且当我们走进这些社区时，我们谈论的是解决方案，我们以尊重对待他们。我们倾听，然后大致形成一个关于我们将在选举后如何合作的想法。我认为，这在这一切中是最大的不同。正如底特律的人们告诉我的，奥巴马来这里是为了查克·舒默。
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOLUTIONS WHEN WE GO TO THESE COMMUNITIES, WE TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT. WE LISTEN, AND THEN WE KIND OF FORGE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO WORK TOGETHER AFTER THE ELECTION. THAT'S, I THINK, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN ALL OF THIS. AS PEOPLE TELL ME FROM DETROIT, OBAMA IS COMING HERE FOR, UH, FOR CHUCK SCHUMER.
他不是来为我们底特律人服务的。因此我们发现，这是我们与人们进行对话的巨大机遇。我们尚未进行这样的对话。甚至连进行对话的大门都尚未打开。而我认为人们不明白的是，我不会去那里说，你必须是共和党人或投共和党的票。我说的是，按你的价值观投票。投迈克·罗杰斯的票。这就是我们谈论教育和技能培训的原因，也是为了让这些孩子重新获得机会，让他们重新识字。
HE'S NOT COMING HERE FOR US DETROITERS. AND SO WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THIS IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE. WE JUST HAVEN'T. THE DOOR HASN'T BEEN OPENED TO EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION. AND WHAT I THINK PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT GOING DOWN THERE SAYING, YOU HAVE TO BE A REPUBLICAN OR VOTE REPUBLICAN. I'M SAYING VOTE YOUR VALUES. VOTE FOR MIKE ROGERS. HERE'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EDUCATION AND SKILLED TRADES AND GETTING OPPORTUNITIES FOR SHOP BACK FOR THESE KIDS AND GETTING THEM LITERATE AGAIN.
底特律有15%的居民，八年级学生中只有15人能达到八年级的阅读水平。我们有很高的逃学率。如果你连字都认不全，你还会去上学吗？我认为我们在学校系统里对这些孩子所做的事情是犯罪的，这不是一个建设机会的机会。我们正在进行很好的对话。你可以看得到。除了底特律之外，还有哪里会有民主党人支持罗杰斯？
WE HAVE 15% OF DETROITERS, 15 IN THE EIGHTH GRADE CAN READ AT THE EIGHTH GRADE. WE HAVE HIGH TRUANCY RATES. WOULD YOU GO TO SCHOOL IF YOU CAN'T READ? I THINK IT'S CRIMINAL WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS TO THESE KIDS, THAT IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD. WE'RE HAVING GREAT CONVERSATIONS. YOU CAN SEE IT. WHERE ELSE DO YOU HAVE A DEMOCRAT FOR ROGERS?
他们在各自做自己的事情。他们有来自底特律、弗林特和蓬蒂亚克的黑人美国人公开出来表示，他们将支持迈克·罗杰斯。
THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN THING. THEY HAVE BLACK AMERICANS FROM DETROIT TO FLINT TO PONTIAC ARE COMING OUT OPENLY AND SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO ENDORSE MIKE ROGERS.
这是一种土地转变的事情。这是地震性的，而且它不是基于任何东西。它不是左翼的。它不是右翼的。人们觉得他们被抛弃了。正如他们所说，你可以把贝拉克·奥巴马请进来，他们仍然爱他。他们确实爱奥巴马。他们将会成群结队地出现。但这并不意味着他们会根据我们自己的对话投票给阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛德。而且这些都是真的。
THIS IS A LAND SHIFT KIND OF THING. THIS IS SEISMIC, AND IT'S NOT BASED ON ANYTHING. IT'S NOT LEFT. IT'S NOT RIGHT. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THEY FEEL THEY'VE BEEN ABANDONED. YOU CAN BRING IN BARACK OBAMA, AS THEY SAY, STILL LOVE HIM. THEY DO LOVE OBAMA. THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW UP IN DROVES. DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR ABDUL EL-SAYED BY OUR OWN CONVERSATIONS. AND THESE ARE REAL.
所以你开始拉拢那些出来的犹太民主党人，前民主党主席出来反对阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛德的民主党。没人在谈论所有这些。这是真正的地震性转变。这就是为什么我们将在十一月获胜。
SO YOU START TAKING JEWISH DEMOCRATS WHO ARE COMING OUT, THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY CAME OUT OPPOSED TO ABDUL EL-SAYED THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS. IT'S A REAL SEISMIC SHIFT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO WIN IN NOVEMBER.
国会议员，非常感谢你。而且为了记录在案，我不是在为任何人辩护。我只是试图保持事实，并使用他使用的那些话，这就是。是啊，当然。
CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT DEFENDING ANYONE. I'M JUST TRYING TO BE FACTUAL AND USE THE WORDS THAT HE USED, WHICH IS. YEAH, SURE.