
扎克·波兰斯基表示,他不会推翻绿党党员们通过的、将犹太复国主义定义为种族主义形式的决议。
Zack Polanski has said he will not overturn a motion passed by Green Party members that declared Zionism a form of racism.
这位绿党领袖在《星期日与劳拉·昆斯伯格》节目中称,虽然他希望对该决议作出修改,但在2028年之前它仍将作为党的政策。
The Green leader told Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg that, while he would like to make amendments, it would be party policy until 2028.
本月早些时候,绿党大会通过了这项决议,其中将犹太复国主义描述为一种主张“在历史上的巴勒斯坦地区建立一个以犹太民族为主体的国家,并排斥或支配非犹太民众”的意识形态。
The motion, passed at the party's conference earlier this month, described Zionism as an ideology supporting "an ethnonationalist Jewish state in historic Palestine to the exclusion and/or domination of the non-Jewish population".
该决议引发了党内分歧,同时也招致众多议员、犹太权益倡导者、政府以及欧洲绿党运动的强烈反对。平等事务监管机构甚至致信绿党,要求提供更多相关信息。
It divided the party and sparked a major backlash from MPs, Jewish campaigners, the government and the European Green movement, with the equality watchdog writing to the party for more information on it.
这一决议带来的负面影响笼罩了波兰斯基在霍尔本与圣潘克拉斯补选期间的最后竞选活动。最终他输给了工党候选人,仅获得第二名,该决议也对他的领导地位构成了威胁。本月早些时候,这项决议在布莱顿以1022票赞成、813票反对的结果获得通过——参与投票的党员仅占绿党23万成员的一小部分。波兰斯基因未对决议投下赞成票而遭到批评。
决议还明确表明绿党支持“在整个历史上的巴勒斯坦地区建立一个民主国家”、对以色列实施全面武器禁运以及致力于巴勒斯坦人民的解放事业。
The fallout from the motion overshadowed the final days of Polanski's campaign in the Holborn and St Pancras by-election, in which he came second to Labour, and threatened his leadership He came under criticism for not voting on the motion which was passed by 1,022 votes to 813 - a small fraction of the party's 230,000 members - in Brighton earlier this month. The motion also asserted the party's backing for "a single democratic state throughout historic Palestine", a full arms embargo on Israel and a commitment to Palestinian liberation.
当被问及是否会以领袖身份介入并推翻该决议时,波兰斯基答道:“我不会试图推翻它。不过一有机会,我确实希望对其进行修改——我希望不再坚持‘单一国家’的主张,转而主张由以色列人和巴勒斯坦人自行决定未来的发展方向。”他还解释称,这一修改要到2028年才能实现,因为“按照党内规则,决议一旦在大会上通过便会在两年内作为党的政策执行,无法中途更改”。
Asked if he would now step in as leader to overturn it, Polanski said: "I'm not going to try to overturn it. "At the first available opportunity, I do want to amend it - I want to move away from one state, towards saying that Israelis and Palestinians should decide that future for themselves." He said this would not be until 2028 as "you can't [amend it] within the rules, so when you vote on something in our party conference that's then policy for two years".
昆斯伯格又问,作为领袖他是否会修改相关规则,波兰斯基回应道:“我认为既然党员们已经做出了决定,我就理应尊重他们的民主意愿。”前绿党联合领袖、现任议员阿德里安·拉姆齐则呼吁尽快采取行动。
Kuenssberg asked if he would therefore change the rules as leader, but Polanski said: "I think if members have made a decision, then I respect the democratic will of our members." Former Green Party co-leader and current MP Adrian Ramsay responded by calling for action to be taken sooner.
“鉴于这项政策给全国各地的议员们带来了巨大的政治困扰,我认为我们在未来两年继续推行该政策是行不通的,”他在接受BBC新闻频道采访时说道。
"I don't think it's tenable for us to continue the next two years with this policy that's been adopted given the huge political distraction that it's been for our councillors across the country," he told the BBC News Channel.
“一个可行的办法是让所有党员参与投票,从而明确整个党派的立场。在我看来,最终结果会大不相同。”此前波兰斯基曾表示,如果没有两项修正案,他不会投票支持该议案。
"One way forward could be to have a ballot of all party members to establish very clearly where does the party as a whole stand - my view is we would see a different answer." Polanski had previously said he would not have voted for the motion without two amendments.
第一项修正案旨在避免“认定只存在一个民主国家”这一表述;另一项修正案则规定,该议案不得被用来约束那些前往自认属于犹太复国主义阵营的犹太教堂做礼拜的绿党犹太裔成员。这两项修正案均在党代会上遭到党员们的否决。
The first of these would have avoided "determining there was a single democratic state", and the other would have specified that the motion should not be used to discipline Jewish Green members who attend synagogues that consider themselves Zionist. Both of these amendments were voted down by members at the party's conference.
鉴于参与投票的人数极少,包括埃莉·乔恩斯在内的绿党议员们呼吁对党内的民主决策程序进行重新评估。
Green MPs, including Ellie Chowns, have called for the party's member-led decision-making procedures to be reviewed given how few people took part in the vote.
当被问及是否认为犹太复国主义属于种族主义时,波兰斯基表示这并无争议,并补充道:“真正有争议的是,过去几年里有7.5万名巴勒斯坦人被杀害。”库恩斯伯格又问波兰斯基,是否认同对许多犹太人而言,犹太复国主义意味着拥有安全的栖身之所或自己的家园。
Asked if he thought Zionism was racist, Polanski said he did not think this was controversial, adding: "I think what's controversial is that 75,000 Palestinians have been murdered in the last few years." Kuenssberg asked Polanski if he accepted that for many Jewish people, Zionism was the right to have a safe place to live, or homeland.
身为犹太人的波兰斯基答道:“我认为人们确实是这么理解的,但实际上从实际应用层面来看——这正是我们眼下讨论的问题——这个‘家园’的建立是以牺牲巴勒斯坦人民的利益为代价的。”
"I think that's what people think it means, but actually in practical application - which is what we're talking about here - that homeland has come to the cost of the Palestinian people," Polanski, who is Jewish, said.
“我希望以色列人和巴勒斯坦人都能享有平等权利,但犹太复国主义的实际推行结果却并非如此。”当被问及是否认为以色列有存在的权利时,他表示“根据国际法,任何国家都没有存在的权利”。
"I want equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians - the practical application of Zionism has not resulted in that." When questioned if he thought Israel had a right to exist, he said he did not think "any state has a right to exist under international law".
当被问及是否会像绿党犹太事务负责人薇薇安·利希滕斯坦所要求的那样,为自己处理此次争议的方式道歉时,波兰斯基回应道:“我一点都不后悔。”对此,英国犹太人代表委员会主席菲尔·罗森伯格指责波兰斯基在此事上的立场“前后矛盾、混乱不堪”。
And asked if he would apologise for his handling of the row, as the Jewish Greens chair Vivien Lichtenstein has asked him to do, Polanski said: "I'm not sorry at all." In response, Phil Rosenberg, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, accused Polanski of being "all over the place" on the issue.
罗森伯格还补充道:“我们必须牢记,目前绿党的纲领完全无视犹太人的身份与经历,呼吁消灭以色列,还告诉那些绝大多数都认同以色列生存权、支持以色列的犹太人:你们不受欢迎。”
"Let us remember that, as of now, the Green Party's platform erases Jewish identity and experience, calls for Israel's elimination, and tells the vast majority of Jews, who overwhelmingly believe in the right of Israel to exist, that they are not welcome in the party," Rosenberg added.
波兰斯基曾表示,不会因信仰或背景原因将任何身为犹太人的绿党成员排除在外,并强调身为犹太人与支持以色列“完全是两码事”。
Polanski has said no Jewish Green members will be excluded based on their faith or background - and that being Jewish and supporting Israel are "two separate things".
此次言论发表前两周,该决议引发了各政治派别的广泛批评。工党方面表示,除非绿党议员公开否定该决议,否则将终止与地方绿党之间的权力共享协议;首相安迪·伯纳姆则称该决议带有“反犹太主义色彩”。波兰斯基称,如何行事应由绿党议员们自行决定。
His latest comments come after a fortnight of criticism from across the political spectrum over the motion. Labour has said it will end power-sharing agreements with the Greens on local councils, unless its councillors disown the motion while Prime Minister Andy Burnham called it "antisemitic". Polanski said it was up to Green councillors to do what they saw fit.
