
距离选举日还有不到三周的时间,共和党内部开始出现恐慌。主持人大卫·科恩在最新一期节目中说:“我们看到共和党团体正把资金从现任众议院议员那里抽走。” “他们正在切断资金。他们说,‘再见了,查理!我们认为你熬不过这场蓝色海啸。’”目前共和党唯一的救命稻草就是大笔资金——而没有什么比埃隆·马斯克更大的了。
Election Day is less than three weeks away, and panic is setting in for the GOP. “We see Republican groups pulling money away from House incumbents,” says host David Corn on the latest episode of . “They’re cutting them off. They’re saying, ‘So long, Charlie! We don’t think you’re going to survive this blue tsunami.’”The one lifeline Republicans have right now is big money—and nothing gets bigger than Elon Musk, who has poured $366 million into this election cycle in an attempt to rescue at-risk Republicans, making him the biggest known political donor in midterms history.
他在这轮选举周期中投入了3.66亿美元,试图救助处于险境的共和党人,使他成为中期选举历史上已知的最大政治捐款人。但大卫警告说:“埃隆·马斯克的影响不仅仅是金钱。还有虚假信息。”在这一期节目中,大卫和另一位主持人加里森·海耶斯一起评估了在我们冲向11月时选举竞争的态势。他们还邀请了资深记者安娜·梅兰,她一直在追踪马斯克放大的针对得州民主党参议员候选人詹姆斯·塔拉里科的虚假信息攻击。
塔拉里科一直是MAGA行动的目标,该行动虚假声称他离开了竞选路线,前往俄亥俄州一家精神病医院秘密疗养——此外还包括副总统JD·范恩发起的同性恋污蔑。
But David warns, “It’s not just money with Elon Musk. It’s also disinformation.”On this episode, David and fellow host Garrison Hayes check the state of the race as we hurtle toward November. They’re joined by senior reporter Anna Merlan, who has been tracking Musk-amplified disinformation attacks on Texas Democratic Senate candidate James Talarico, who’s been the target of a MAGA operation that falsely claimed he left the campaign trail for a secret stay in an Ohio mental hospital—as well as a homophobic smear from Vice President JD Vance.
“关于他同性恋和精神有问题的这些新说法——这是一种升级,”安娜说。她还在关注更多动向:“如今在X.com上,尤其是埃隆·马斯克接手之后,十月份临近选举时往往会出现大量虚假信息——所谓的重大信息泄露。”与此同时,加里森和大卫讨论了金伯利·吉尔福伊尔的史诗级下落:她因被指控要求一名捐款人支付10万美元的运通账单,以换取获得政府官员的会见机会,而被解除美国驻希腊大使职务;以及国土安全部对明尼苏达州众议员伊尔汉·奥马尔在华盛顿特区住所的突袭,令人震惊。
“This new stuff about him being gay and mentally ill—that’s an escalation,” Anna says. And she’s watching for more: “What tends to happen on X.com these days, especially after Elon Musk took it over, is that there is a lot of disinformation in October leading up to elections—purported leaks of consequential information.”Meanwhile, Garrison and David discuss the epic fall of Kimberly Guilfoyle, ousted as U.S. ambassador to Greece after a report that she asked a donor to pay off a $100,000 Amex bill in return for providing him access to administration officials, and the shocking DHS raid on Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Washington, DC., home.
他们探讨了特朗普政府针对知名黑人女性的模式,以及大卫所说的特朗普对奥马尔的“个人恩怨”。
They explore the Trump administration’s pattern of targeting prominent Black women and what David dubs Trump’s “personal vendetta” against Omar.
你会认为一位面临跛脚鸭局面的总统会有更大的担忧,而不是去算账。毕竟,竞选路上的现实正在严峻地冲击着:“特朗普正在全国各地奔走,试图在本不该需要他进行竞选的州巩固共和党人,”大卫说。
You’d think a president staring down lame-duck status would have bigger worries than settling scores. After all, reality on the campaign trail is biting hard: “Trump is running around the country trying to shore up Republicans in states where he should not need to be campaigning,” David says.
除此之外,还有您的观众提问得到解答,在这期《压力测试》周五版——我们的中期选举特别视频播客中。大卫·科恩:埃隆·马斯克,一个散布虚假信息的代理人。
All that, and your audience questions answered, on this Friday edition of “Stress Test,” our special midterms video podcast. David Corn: Elon Musk, a disinformation agent.
加里森·海耶斯:特朗普让司法部对付一名民主党人。金伯利·吉尔福伊尔——华盛顿特区:真是个故事。GH:是啊,共和党是不是该惊慌失措的时候到了?DC:这是《压力测试》,来自《母亲琼斯》。我是大卫·科恩。
Garrison Hayes: Trump sics the DOJ on a Democrat. Kimberly Guilfoyle—DC: What a story. GH: Yeah, and is it time for the GOP to panic? DC: This is Stress Test from Mother Jones. I’m David Corn.
GH:我是加里森·海耶斯。欢迎回到《压力测试》第五期。我们离中期选举还有三周——你能相信吗?——并且正接近这种弹出式视频播客的中点,我们一直在制作它。所以我们觉得这时候重新聚在一起,试着思考一下发生了什么,对当前形势做一点状态检查,是个好时机。大卫,你心里在想什么?
GH: And I’m Garrison Hayes. Welcome back to the fifth episode of Stress Test. We are three weeks away—can you believe it?—from the midterms and approaching the midpoint of this kind of pop-up video podcast that we’ve been on. So we thought it’d be a good time to come back together and to try to think about, like, what’s going on, do a little bit of a status check on how things are going. David, what’s on your mind?
DC:嗯,我们看到民调没有变化。它们都在同一个方向上移动。它们都在有利于民主党,看来这已经成为既定事实。特朗普正在全国各地奔走,试图在本不该需要他进行竞选的州巩固共和党人。他甚至去了阿拉斯加,还带走了内阁成员的一半,因为民主党在该州的参议院竞选中看起来很有希望。
DC: Well, we see that the polls are not changing. They’re all moving in the same direction. They’re all benefiting Democrats, and it seems kind of baked into the cake. Trump is running around the country trying to shore up Republicans in states where he should not need to be campaigning. He went all the way to Alaska, and he took half the cabinet with him because the Democrats are looking good in the Senate race there.
我们还看到共和派团体正在把钱从现任众议院共和党议员那里抽走。他们在切断资金。他们说,查理,再见了,我们不认为你能熬过这场蓝色海啸。于是像托马斯·基恩 Jr. 这样的人——他是新泽西州的众议员——以及玛丽安内特·米勒-米克斯——她来自爱荷华州——他们正在切断支持,让这些议员自生自灭。
And we see Republican groups pulling money away from House incumbents, Republican House incumbents. They’re cutting them off. They’re saying, so long, Charlie, we don’t think you’re going to survive this blue tsunami. So people like Thomas Kean Jr., who’s a representative in New Jersey, and Mariannette Miller-Meeks, who’s in Iowa, they’re cutting them off, leaving them to their own devices.
共和党人现在唯一的依仗就是大笔资金,而本周大笔资金的重大新闻,加里森,就是埃隆·马斯克,对吧?他目前已经投入了——迄今为止——3.66亿美元到这场竞选中,这使他成为美国政治史上捐款最多的个人之一。我认为他最终的捐款将超过5亿美元。这些资金将用于参议院竞选。也将用于摇摆州、关键州的参议员和共和党人的得票行动。而且埃隆·马斯克的影响不仅仅是金钱。还有虚假信息。
The one lifeline the Republicans have right now is big money, and the big news in big money this week, Garrison, was Elon Musk, right? He’s putting in 300—so far, $366 million into this campaign, making one of the largest donations ever in the history of American politics. I think he’s gonna top half a billion dollars. It’s going to Senate races. It’s going to get-out-the-vote campaigns and for senators and Republicans in the swing states, the key states. And it’s not just money with Elon Musk. It’s also disinformation.
GH:确实如此。因此,大笔资金、埃隆·马斯克、虚假信息——为了谈论这一切,我们将邀请《母亲琼斯》杂志的高级记者安娜·梅兰进行一次深入对话。安娜,欢迎来到节目。安娜·梅兰:你好。感谢邀请。
GH: Indeed it is. And so big money, Elon Musk, disinformation—to talk about all of this, we’re going to have a good conversation with our senior reporter here at Mother Jones, Anna Merlan. Anna, welcome to the show. Anna Merlan: Hi. Thanks for having me.
DC:是啊。我的意思是,本周大家一直在谈论他投入的巨额资金——1.58亿美元用于参议院竞选——但你有不同的看法。他不仅在向这场竞选注资,他还是虚假信息的主要制造者。请解释一下。
DC: Yeah. I mean, everybody this week is going on and on about the money he’s pouring in—$158 million into Senate races—but you had a different take. Not only is he pouring money into this campaign, he’s a major force of disinformation. Explain.
AM:嗯,本周我们看到埃隆·马斯克深度参与了一则关于德克萨斯州参议员候选人詹姆斯·塔拉里科的故事。右翼方面曾有传言称塔拉里科已经几周没有出现在竞选路上。那是因为他感冒了。他自己也很明确地说自己有流感。由于感冒,他一直通过Zoom远程参加多场竞选活动。
AM: Well, so this week we saw Elon Musk engaging pretty heavily with a story about Texas Senate candidate James Talarico. There was some scuttlebutt on the right because Talarico had not been seen on the campaign trail for a couple of weeks. That’s because he had the flu. He was really clear that he had the flu. He was appearing remotely via Zoom at several campaign events because he had the flu.
然而,几位自称的极右翼记者开始散布另一种说法:他实际上在重返竞选前,曾被秘密送入俄亥俄州的一家精神病医院,住了一个极短的时间。这个说法之所以站不住脚,有很多原因,我们可以慢慢说。但有一个人对这个故事非常兴奋,那就是埃隆·马斯克。他直接参与其中——DC:所以他到底做了什么?
Instead, a couple of far-right, self-styled journalists started to make a different claim: that he had actually been secretly committed to a mental hospital in Ohio for an extraordinarily short period of time before reappearing on the campaign trail. So this story didn’t work for a bunch of reasons that we can get into, but one person who was very excited about it was Elon Musk. He was engaging directly—DC: So what did he do?
AM:他直接与尼克·索托尔和莱茵·阿马彻互动,这两人是自称倾向MAGA的记者,他们一直在推动这个故事。当他们发布所谓的通话录音时——该通话是他们其中一人与他们声称塔拉利科所在的心理健康治疗中心之间的通话——他回复了两个感叹号。他在推文中至少两次表示,塔拉利科的竞选团队在隐瞒选民有权知道的事情。
AM: He was engaging directly with Nick Sortor and Rhein Amacher, who are the two self-proclaimed MAGA-leaning journalists who were promoting this story. When they released a purported phone call between one of them and the mental health treatment center they claimed Talarico was at, he responded with two exclamation points. He also said at least twice in tweets that the Talarico campaign was hiding something that voters deserved to know about.
因此,很明显,他在索托尔和阿马彻公开破获此事之前,就已经可能了解到这个故事。也就是说,他是人们看到这个故事的主要推动力。我的意思是,索托尔确实有一批不错的受众,但远不及埃隆·马斯克在他所拥有的平台上的影响力。
So it’s pretty obvious that he had probably become aware of this story prior to Sortor and Amacher breaking it publicly. So he was a primary driver of people seeing this story. I mean, Sortor has a pretty good audience, but nothing like what Elon Musk has on the platform that he owns.
GH:我很想深入探讨为什么这个故事站不住脚,因为通常,安娜,当这些阴谋论出现时,它们往往基于某种能给人留下线索的东西,暗示可能有某些事情正在发生。于是就会出现一堆毫不相关的事实被拼凑在一起,编织成一个故事。但你为什么说这个故事完全说不通?
GH: I’d love to get into why this story doesn’t work, because often, Anna, when these conspiracy theories come up, they’re based in some kind of thing that gives people a clue that there might be something going on. And so there are kind of this hodgepodge of facts that are unrelated, and they pull them together to make a story. But why are you saying that this story doesn’t make any sense?
AM:这里有一个非常基本的时间线问题,据索托尔和阿马彻自称的报道所述,塔拉利科据称是在周六晚上从俄亥俄州的一家精神病院出院的。这确实是个大问题,因为他在周五和周六曾被看到在德州亲自参加竞选活动。
AM: There is a really basic timeline issue, which is that supposedly Talarico, according to Sortor and Amacher’s self-proclaimed reporting, had been released from this mental hospital in Ohio on Saturday night. That was a really big issue because he had been seen campaigning in person in Texas on Friday and Saturday.
因此,他们一直在吹嘘他们与这家俄亥俄州精神健康治疗中心的通话——在多次向设施人员询问是否有名叫詹姆斯·塔拉利科的人在场,并多次得到否定答复之后,最终电话那头的人说,哦,他是在周六晚上出院的。这个人的表述听起来不够清晰,而这发生在他们以各种方式反复询问这个问题大约六分钟后。
So they were crowing about a call that they had with this mental health treatment center in Ohio where, after asking someone at the facility several times if somebody by the name of James Talarico was there and getting several denials, eventually the person on the other end of the phone says, oh, he was discharged Saturday night. This person doesn’t sound clear, and this is after what turned out to be about six minutes of them asking this question in various ways.
但不管怎样,时间不是这样运作的。如果你在周五看到他在德克萨斯州,他不可能在周六接受心理健康治疗。另一件发生的事情是,心理健康治疗中心林德中心发推文称,詹姆斯·塔拉里科从未在这里接受过治疗。换句话说,他们非常愿意直接说,这不是真的,这是假的。而且这件事发生得非常快。但显然,这对故事中涉及的一些人来说还不够,他们仍未宣布这是不真实的。
But regardless, that’s not how time works. If you see him in Texas on Friday, he cannot be in mental health treatment on Saturday. The other thing that happened is that the mental health treatment center, the Lindner Center, tweeted, James Talarico has never been treated here. Like, they were more than willing to just say, this is not real, this is not true. And this happened immediately. But that was apparently not enough for some of the people involved in the story to declare it not to be true.
DC:嗯,你知道,这很有趣,因为他们正试图把一起心理健康攻击加诸于塔拉里科身上,还有他们之前针对他做的其他事情,比如声称他是素食者,而他其实不是——虽然这本身没有什么错。此外,我们还看到本周我们自己的副总统JD·万斯说了些什么。让我们看看那段视频,以及他是如何煽动对塔拉里科的攻击的。
DC: Well, you know, it’s interesting because this is a mental health attack that they’re trying to put on to Talarico, and the other things that they’ve gone after him for, claiming he’s a vegan when he’s not—not that there’s anything wrong with that. And also, we saw what came from our own vice president, JD Vance, this week. Let’s look at that video and how he whipped up an attack against Talarico.
DC:所以他不仅精神有问题,而且是素食者,看来他还是同性恋。哇。看来这是他们目前能拿出来的最好材料。
DC: So he’s not only mentally ill and a vegan, apparently he’s gay. Wow. It seems to be the best they have at the moment.
AM:嗯,关于塔拉里科,确实有很多此类事情发生,其中一些又是埃隆·马斯克参与的。比如,有大量引言被反复传播,例如他曾在2020年谴责白人至上主义,并表示支持黑人的命也是命运动;他谈论过体育中的跨性别包容;他谈论过资本主义的弊端——这些在右翼看来是极其令人恐惧的事情。而且这些引言一直在被反复传播。但关于他同性恋和精神有病的这些新说法——我认为这是一种升级。
AM: Well, so there’s been a lot of this type of thing about Talarico, and some of it, again, Elon Musk has engaged in. There have been a bunch of quotes recirculated, for instance, about him denouncing white supremacy during 2020 and expressing support for the Black Lives Matter movement, him talking about, you know, trans inclusion in sports, him talking about the ills of capitalism—things that are taken to be extremely frightening by the right. And there’s been a lot of recirculating of those quotes. But this new stuff about him being gay and mentally ill, that is—that’s an escalation, I would say.
DC:我们之前也谈到过他投入的资金——1000万美元,数千万美元用于德克萨斯州的投票动员工作,而其中很多都聚焦在这些议题上,声称塔拉里科有一个激进的跨性别议程。
DC: And we talked earlier about the money he’s putting in—10 million—tens of millions of dollars into get-out-the-vote efforts in Texas, and a lot of those are focusing on these sort of issues, claiming that Talarico has a radical trans agenda.
AM:没错。我的意思是,这里有趣的部分在于,埃隆·马斯克花费数百万美元帮助特朗普总统重新上台后,他说他将减少政治支出。这可能是由几件事造成的。一是他在威斯康星州参议院选举中投入了大量资金,但结果并不如他所愿,甚至有一次他提出要基本上付钱让选民投票,而这是不允许的。他不得不很快收回这一说法,因为这是非法的。
AM: Correct. I mean, part of what’s interesting here is that after Elon Musk spent millions of dollars helping to get President Trump back into office, he said he was going to pull back on political spending. That was probably the result of a couple of things. One was that he put a lot of money into the Wisconsin Senate race, which didn’t turn out the way that he wanted it to be, including at one point he offered to essentially pay voters to vote, which you’re not allowed to do. He had to walk that back very quickly because it is illegal.
另一件事是,他在德国极右翼AfD党身上投入了大量支持,甚至似乎在AfD集会上发表讲话,而在该次选举中,AfD同样表现不佳。因此,在2025年,他说,你知道,我将减少政治支出,我已经做得够多了。但如今,一年后,他又在这里,你知道,比历史上任何其他单一捐助者都更深入地参与中期选举。
And the other thing that happened was that he put a lot of support behind Germany’s far-right AfD party, even appearing to speak at an AfD rally, and during that election, again, AfD didn’t do particularly well. So in 2025, he said, you know, I’m going to pull back on political spending, I’ve done enough. But now here he is again, you know, a year later, getting more involved in the midterms, I think, than any other single donor ever has in history.
GH:是啊,我想大家都在想的问题是,这会奏效吗?我的意思是,显然他在过去曾有过失败,但你认为,如今我们再次处于这种境地——埃隆·马斯克正向选举倾注大量资金——你认为这一次它会奏效吗?
GH: Yeah, and I guess the question that everyone’s wondering is, will this work? I mean, obviously he’s had some failures in the past, but do you think, here we are in this position again where Elon Musk is dumping a bunch of money into an election, do you anticipate that it’ll work this time?
AM:我认为金额与成功之间并不存在直接的一对一关系,而我想埃隆·马斯克正是这么认为的。我认为他假设足够多的钱就会带来他想要的结果,但他应该知道事实并非如此。威斯康星州的情况并非如此,他似乎代表AfD发言的情况也不是这样。也就是说,事情似乎并不是这么运作的。但我想我们会看到的。而且,你知道,根据这个国家的法律,他欢迎花尽可能多的钱去尝试。
AM: I don’t actually think there’s a direct 1-to-1 predictor between amount of money and success, which I do think is what Elon Musk thinks. I think he assumes that a large enough amount of money will result in the outcome you want, but he should know that that’s not the case. That’s not what happened in Wisconsin. That’s not what happened, you know, with him appearing to speak on behalf of AfD. Like, it just doesn’t seem to work that way. But I guess we’ll see. And, you know, I guess he’s welcome under the laws of this country to spend as much money as he wants trying.
DC:嗯,安娜,我们会问所有嘉宾一个问题:在选举日到来之前的几周里,是什么让你感到压力,或者你在关注什么?
DC: Well, Anna, we ask this question of all our guests: What’s stressing you out, or what are you watching for in the next few weeks before the election hits Election Day?
AM:我觉得如果我现在让任何事情让我感到压力,我早就死了,所以没有。我很好。我会说,我正在密切关注所谓的“十月惊奇”。你们俩都知道,在关键选举之前,常常会出现被称为“十月惊奇”的事情,即最后一刻的、关键的信息。如今在X.com上,尤其是埃隆·马斯克接管之后,又是这种情况,选举前的十月会出现大量虚假信息——所谓的关键信息泄露。你们可能还记得,几年前在推特上曾试图在法国总统选举前散布马克龙泄密事件,但并不怎么成功。
AM: I feel like if I let anything stress me out at this point, I would be dead, so nothing. Just, I’m good. I will say I am paying a lot of attention to purported October surprises. You guys both know that before consequential elections, there’s often this thing termed the October surprise, a last-minute, consequential piece of information. What tends to happen on X.com these days, especially after Elon Musk took it over, again, is that there is a lot of disinformation in October leading up to elections—purported leaks of consequential information. You might recall, like, the Macron leaks that were attempted to float before a French presidential election a few years ago on Twitter that didn’t quite work.
所以我正在密切关注未来几周在X上流行的叙事,尤其是埃隆·马斯克在推广的内容。例如,他现在非常关注关于伊尔汉·奥马尔的指控——比如,你知道,隐瞒她财富来源,或者改姓。目前有大量尝试试图在选举前给她贴上普遍怀疑的标签。所以我会说,这是我今天主要关注的事情,但下周会是什么,谁知道呢。
So I am paying a lot of attention to narratives that take hold on X in the next few weeks, especially things that Elon Musk is promoting. For instance, right now he’s very engaged with allegations about Ilhan Omar—either, you know, hiding the source of her wealth, you know, changing her last name. There is a lot of attempts right now to just kind of attach general suspicion to her in the lead-up to the election. So I would say that’s the primary thing I’m looking at today, but who knows what it’ll be next week.
GH:安娜·梅兰,非常感谢你加入我们。我们肯定会非常密切关注你的报道,感谢你的到来。AM:谢谢你邀请我。感谢你们的工作。
GH: Anna Merlan, thank you so much for joining us. We’ll definitely be paying very close attention to your reporting, and we appreciate you being here. AM: Thanks for having me. Thank you guys for your work.
DC:嗯,她提到了埃隆·马斯克攻击伊尔汉·奥马尔,而本周,在一项令人震惊的举动中,来自国土安全部(DHS)的调查人员突袭了民主党众议员伊尔汉·奥马尔在华盛顿的住所,显然是在寻找与多年前,甚至可能是几十年前填写的移民表格有关的材料。
DC: Well, she mentioned Elon Musk going after Ilhan Omar, and this week, in what was a shocking move, the investigators from DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, raided the Washington home of Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar, apparently looking for material relating to immigration forms filled out years ago, maybe even tens of years ago.
这在加里森看来是前所未有的,因为,正如你所知,司法部有一项指导方针,规定像这样的行动——调查、突袭、传票——除非不可避免,否则不应在选举前如此接近进行。存在危险。有人可能会逃跑,你知道的,躲避警方,逃往另一个国家。如果在选举前如此接近的时间点没有理由匆忙行动,那么基本上应该保持低调。但特朗普政府在这里却做了相反的事情。
This is unprecedented, Garrison, because, as you know, there’s a Department of Justice guideline that acts like these—investigations, raids, subpoenas—should not come so close to an election unless they are unavoidable. There’s a danger present. Someone may run away to, you know, flee the cops, go to another country. If there’s no reason to move this quickly before an election, so close to an election, you basically lay low. But the Trump administration is doing the opposite here.
GH:他们当然,你知道的,一直在针对奥马尔众议员。这是他们一直在推动的更大规模的反移民行动的一部分。显然,我们知道伊尔汉·奥马尔代表明尼苏达州的一个国会选区,因此这一切都与特朗普政府一直在推动的这一更大规模的项目有关,而且已经持续相当长一段时间了。
GH: They’ve, of course, you know, been targeting Congresswoman Omar for a while now. It’s a part of a larger anti-immigrant thing that they’ve been on. Obviously, we know Ilhan Omar represents a congressional district in Minnesota, and so all of this is connected to this larger project that the Trump administration has been pushing for quite some time now.
但我们也知道,伊尔汉·奥马尔是国会黑人党团的成员。她是一名黑人女性。而来自该政府对黑人女性的一系列此类有针对性的攻击也屡见不鲜。我们有联邦储备委员会理事丽莎·库克。我们当然还有纽约市的莱蒂西亚·詹姆斯。还有拉莫尼卡·麦克伊弗,她因去年与移民和海关执法局的互动而面临17年的监禁。因此,正如你所说,大卫,这种情况已经持续了一段时间,在某种程度上确实感觉前所未有,但也感觉像是他们一直在推动的事情。这感觉与该政府的目标非常相关。
But we also know that Ilhan Omar is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. She is a Black woman. And there have been a number of these kinds of targeted attacks from this administration on Black women. We have the Fed Gov. Lisa Cook. We, of course, have Letitia James in New York City. We have LaMonica McIver, who is facing 17 years for her interactions with ICE just last year. And so this is something that’s kind of been going on for a while, David, and it does feel in some ways unprecedented, but it also feels like something that they’ve been pushing. It feels very related to the objectives of this administration.
DC:是的。我在这里看到的一个小点是,因为我刚刚出版了这本书《俄罗斯如何获胜》,讲述俄罗斯在过去选举中的干预,以帮助唐纳德·特朗普,而在2016年,FBI一直在调查特朗普竞选团队与俄罗斯在2016年大选期间的互动。他们非常谨慎,既没有发出传票,也没有叫人来接受访谈,因为他们认为这可能会让调查向公众泄露,而他们不想以这种方式影响选举。正如特朗普所说的“深层政府”,实际上是在保护特朗普竞选团队,而这就是它本应运作的方式。
DC: Yeah. And one small point that I see here, because I just came out with this book, How Russia Won, about the Russian intervention in the past elections to help Donald Trump, and in 2016, the FBI was conducting an investigation of interactions between the Trump campaign and Russia throughout the 2016 general election period. And they were assiduous about not issuing subpoenas, not even bringing in people to interview, because they thought that might tip off the investigation to the public, and they did not want to affect the election in that way. The deep state, as Trump would say, was actually protecting the Trump campaign, and that’s the way it’s supposed to work.
当然,在那场竞选结束时,詹姆斯·科米重新启动了对希拉里·克林顿的调查,这对竞选产生了影响,这就是他们违反这条规则的原因。
Of course, at the end of that campaign, James Comey revived the investigation of Hillary Clinton, and that had an impact on the campaign, and that’s the reason for this rule that they are violating.
但特朗普,你知道,他把对索马里裔美国人的十字军东征变成了他极其重要的使命——针对她,但更是整个想法,即索马里裔美国人正在实施欺诈,他们是邪恶、可怕的人。他说过这样的话,认为他们都应该被送回非洲。所以这是种族主义。这是个人恩怨,我认为它还在传递一个信息:我们赞同残忍,如果你站在我们的对立面,我们就会来对付你。
But Trump, you know, has made, you know, this crusade against Somali Americans a tremendous imperative for him—targeting her, but just the whole idea that Somali Americans are committing fraud, that they’re evil, terrible people. He said that, and they should all be shipped back to Africa. So this is racism. It’s a personal vendetta, and what it does, I think, also is just send a message that we’re in favor of cruelty, and if you get on the wrong side of us, we will come after you.
GH:是的,我认为确实有很多这样的事情。正如我之前所说,总统对明尼苏达州有一种这种个人执着。正如你所说的,围绕明尼苏达州的故事,你知道,所谓的欺诈——其中一些是合法的,一些是不合法的。我们知道这也是这个故事的一部分,我们已经看到它至少持续了九到十个月。
GH: Yeah, it is, I think, a lot of those things. As I said before, there is this kind of personal fixation that the president has with Minnesota. To your point, the story around Minnesota, you know, quote-unquote, fraud—some of it legitimate, some of it illegitimate. We know that that’s all kind of a part of this story as well, that we’ve seen play out for at least the last nine, 10 months.
但说实话,这事儿得从头说起。我们知道,当然,伊尔汉·奥马尔是特朗普第一个任期内当选国会议员的那帮“小队”成员之一。她一直是总统毫不掩饰的反对者,对总统相当敌对,而且毫不掩饰地挑衅总统。所以这一切都感觉深深地、深深地相连。大卫,我很想知道,奥马尔对此有什么反应,她家被搜查了?她是如何回应的?
But really, it kind of goes back. We know, of course, Ilhan Omar was a part of that kind of Squad group of folks elected to Congress during Trump’s first term. She has been an unapologetic opponent of the president, quite antagonistic and unapologetic in her kind of prodding of the president. So all of that feels deeply, deeply connected. David, I’m curious, what is Omar’s reaction to all of this, to her home being raided? How is she responding to this?
DC:嗯,她正在迎难而上。我是说,我收到过她很多筹款信或电子邮件。GH:这种事绝不放过筹几个钱的机会,对吧?
DC: Well, she’s leaning into it. I mean, I’ve gotten many fundraising letters or emails from her. GH: Never miss an opportunity to raise a few bucks off of this stuff, right?
DC:是啊,危机绝不能浪费。所以,你知道,她在反抗特朗普,坚强站立,并利用此事试图巩固她的支持。而且,确实,这正在提升她的地位。我不认为她赢得选举有什么悬念。但这又是,你知道,这是通过国土安全部发生的,有人担心国土安全部特工或移民与海关执法局特工会出现在投票站,试图劝阻人们前去投票,制造危机,制造混乱,而这正是特朗普想要做的。
DC: Yeah, don’t put a crisis to waste, ever. And so she’s, you know, defying Trump, standing strong, and using it to try to bolster her support. And indeed, this is, you know, elevating her. I don’t think there’s a question about her winning her election. But it is, again, you know, this is happening through DHS, and there are people who are worried about DHS agents or ICE agents showing up at the polls to try to dissuade people from being there, creating crisis, creating chaos, which is what Trump is looking to do.
而且,你知道,他们一直试图把这事带回选举舞弊,但让我们谈谈腐败。真正的腐败在哪里?我认为它来自国会内部。本周我们再好不过的例子就是——请鼓掌——金伯利·吉尔福伊尔。她在出卖好处。大新闻是,她要求一名共和党捐款人帮她还清10万美元的运通卡账单,当时她正试图——嗯,正试图为他争取政府内部的优惠待遇,因为他有一些税务问题。而且,你知道,这事儿一出来,她撑不了太久,对吧,加里森?
And, you know, they keep trying to bring this back to fraud, but let’s talk about corruption. Where’s the real corruption? I would say it’s coming from within the house. And we had no better example of that this week than—drumroll, please—Kimberly Guilfoyle. She was selling favors. The big news was that she asked a Republican donor to pay off her $100,000 Amex card while she was trying—well, while she was trying to get him favorable treatment within the government because he had a few tax issues. And, you know, she didn’t last too long, right, Garrison, once this news came out?
GH:这里有一个故事里面还有一个故事,关于在出现争议时谁会被开除。我的意思是,在这种情况我一直在想汤姆·霍曼,我们知道他也涉嫌一些腐败和金钱问题,还有,我相信故事的一部分是来自Cava的纸袋里装着5万美元。DC:那是来自Cava快餐店的袋子,里面装着5万美元现金。
GH: There’s a story within a story here about who gets the boot when there is, you know, controversy. I mean, I am thinking a lot in this situation about Tom Homan, who we know was also involved in some suspected corruption and money, and there’s, like, $50,000 in a paper bag, I believe was the part of the story, from Cava. DC: It was a bag from Cava, the fast-food joint, $50,000 in it, in cash.
GH:来自Cava的袋子。没错,是现金。问题是,他到底有没有被开除?特朗普有没有做出疏远汤姆·霍曼的工作?我认为答案当然是否定的。因此,这里一直存在一种有趣的紧张关系,甚至在某种程度上可能还有性别紧张关系,围绕着唐纳德·特朗普决定惩罚和疏远谁。我当然也在想克里斯蒂·诺姆。这些都不是行为的借口,但我认为这里实际上也需要进行一种元分析。
GH: A bag from Cava. Exactly, in cash. And the question is, like, did he get the boot? Has Trump done the work of distancing himself from Tom Homan? I think the answer is, of course, no. And so there’s always kind of this interesting tension, and maybe even to some degree a gender tension here, around who Donald Trump decides to punish and distance himself from. I’m thinking about Kristi Noem, of course, in this instance as well. None of these are excuses for the behavior, but I think there is kind of a meta-analysis, actually, that needs to happen here as well.
DC:好吧,让我们看看特朗普曾经对她说过什么,以及他现在对她说什么。
DC: Well, let’s see what Trump once had to say about her and what he has to say about her now.
DC:这里有趣的地方可能是,你知道,他们关系很亲密,而且在这段时间里一直很亲密,而唐纳德·特朗普 Jr. 正在进行各种商业交易,利用家族名字在国防工业及其他地方获取关系——我们可能称之为敛财。所以我打赌金伯利·吉尔福伊尔掌握了很多关于唐纳德·特朗普 Jr. 如何在过去几年里积累财富的内部信息。你必须小心对待你要拉下水的人,特别是如果他们知道一些事情的话。无论如何,如果众议院民主党掌控任何调查委员会,她可能是他们想找来交谈的人。
DC: Well, the interesting thing here might be, you know, they were close, and they were close through all this period of time that Donald Trump Jr. is cutting assorted business deals, using the family name to get connections in the defense industry and elsewhere—what we might call grifting. So I bet Kimberly Guilfoyle has a lot of inside information about how Donald Trump Jr. has amassed the wealth he has gathered over the last few years. You got to be careful who you throw under the bus, particularly if they know something. In any event, the House Democrats take control of any of the investigative committees, she might be someone they look to talk to.
GH:如果民主党重新夺得众议院,我不会惊讶于金伯利·吉尔福伊尔收到某种传票。但是,大卫,多年来我注意到一件事,很难让MAGA世界的人反对特朗普。我的意思是,即使他们暂时似乎远离他,我们也一次又一次地看到人们重新回到他的轨道。所以我很想看看,这种情况以及民主党对吉尔福伊尔施加的任何压力,是否会从调查角度产生任何有意义的结果。
GH: I wouldn’t be surprised if, you know, for Kimberly Guilfoyle to get a subpoena of some sort if Democrats do take back the House. But, you know, David, the thing that I’ve noticed over the years is that it’s really hard to turn MAGA-world people against Trump. I mean, even if for a time they seem to move away from him, we’ve seen time and time again people kind of move back into his orbit. And so I would be curious to see if this situation and any pressure that Democrats can exert on Guilfoyle, if it would result in anything meaningful coming out of this from a probing perspective.
DC:有趣的是,特朗普正在“日落”,对吧?选举后,他将成为跛脚鸭。他把踢出去的人重新拉回怀抱的磁力吸引力——我们看到过史蒂夫·班农,也看到过迈克尔·科恩——这种引力可能会减弱。
DC: Well, the interesting thing is that Trump is sunsetting, right? You know, people—after the election, he will be lame duck. So his magnetic attraction to pull people back into his fold that he kicks out—you know, we’ve seen this with Steve Bannon, we’ve seen it with Michael Cohen—that gravitational force might weaken.
而且,我们来这里是谈中期选举,我的感觉是——我们也看到了这一点——民主党候选人更倾向于将腐败作为一个议题。我们谈到了塔拉里科。他正在针对肯·帕克斯顿投放竞选广告,涉及各种腐败方面,包括他被大数据收买,在德克萨斯州非常不受欢迎的数据中心建设上。我们看到全国各地的其他候选人,民主党候选人,都在使用腐败这一主题。
And I think, too, you know, we’re here to talk about the midterms, and it’s my sense—and we see this—the Democratic candidates are leaning more into making corruption an issue. We talked about Talarico. He’s running campaign ads against Ken Paxton on all sorts of corruption fronts, including that he’s been bought off by big data to put up data centers that are very unpopular in Texas. We see other candidates across the country, Democratic candidates, using the theme of corruption.
我认为现在这一点击中得很强烈。通常很难让人们把腐败作为一个议题,但当他们自己面临经济困难,却看到特朗普及其家人在白宫期间通过可疑交易实际上私吞数十亿美元,而现在我们看到金伯利·吉尔福伊尔利用她的权力和影响力为自己谋私利,我认为这些腐败主题可能会引起更强烈的共鸣。
And I think it hits strongly now. It’s often hard to make corruption an issue for people, but when they’re having their own economic difficulties and they see Trump and his family literally pocketing billions of dollars in shady deals while he’s in the White House, and now we see Kim Guilfoyle using her power, her influence, to line her own pockets, I think these corruption themes might resonate a little stronger.
GH: 那么,我的问题是,大卫,你知道,民主党如果能够夺回众议院——也许是在2028年,如果他们能够夺回白宫的话——他们有什么权力能够以某种方式改变事态,以防止未来发生类似的事情?
GH: My question for you, David, then, is when or if Democrats, you know, take back the House—perhaps in 2028, if they are able to take back the White House—what power do they have to change things in a way that would prevent something like this in the future?
DC: 嗯,他们可以做两件不同的事情。如果他们在这次选举中即使只是夺回众议院,更不用说参议院了,他们就可以利用国会调查的权力开始深入调查一些事情——你提到了汤姆·霍曼。他们可以回顾各种各样的事情。他们不必把这些事情当作犯罪来调查,但他们仍然有权进行调查。当然,如果民主党在2028年能够夺回白宫——这看起来离现在还很远——他们将控制司法部,并能够审视特朗普时期发生的各种事情。
DC: Well, they have two different things they can do. If they win back even the House, let alone the Senate, in this election, they can use the power of congressional investigations to start digging into some of the stuff—you mentioned Tom Homan. They can go back to all sorts of things. They don’t have to investigate them as crimes, but they still have the right to investigate them. And of course, if the Democrats should win back the White House in 2028, which seems a long time from now, they will control the Justice Department, and they’ll be able to look at all sorts of things that went on during the Trump years.
但另一方面,我不认为特朗普会放过发布一项覆盖几乎所有在他任职期间任命的政治任命人的全面特赦的可能性。所以这目前还很遥远。但他们可以开始审视很多事情,无论是埃隆·马斯克,还是金·吉尔福伊,还是汤姆·霍曼——有很多事情可以调查。民主党在获得这些调查委员会控制权后将面临的问题是决定启动哪些调查。
But on the other hand, I would not put it past Trump to issue a blanket-wide pardon covering almost every political appointee who served in either one of his administrations. So that’s kind of far down the road at this point. But there is a lot they can start looking at, whether it’s Elon Musk, whether it’s Kim Guilfoyle, whether it’s Tom Homan—a lot of things out there. The problem that the Democrats are gonna have on these investigative committees, if they gain control, is deciding which investigations to launch.
GH: 哇。嗯,这些正是我们感兴趣并思考的事情,但当然,我们也一直很好奇你感兴趣并思考什么。我们有一些观众问题,我想先提出来,大卫。我们当然很享受你的评论。请现在就发表一个评论,谈谈你心里在想的事情,也许是让你感到压力的事情。于是我们有一些评论想要深入探讨。我先开始,大卫,然后你可以挑一个,我再挑一个,我们会尽快处理完这些。
GH: Wow. Well, those are the things that we’re interested in and thinking about, but of course, we’re always curious what you are interested in and thinking about. We have a few audience questions that I want to tee up for us, David. We’re enjoying, of course, your comments. Go ahead and drop a comment now for something that’s on your minds, maybe something that’s stressing you out. And so we have a few comments that we wanna get into. I’ll start us out, David, and then you can take one and I’ll take another one, and we’ll get through these as quickly as possible.
这是来自自称FrankHodge7654的人的说法。他们说,我们历史上对民主共和国最大的压力测试是内战。第二大的压力测试是1930年代的经济崩溃。他们说,当前的危机是一项非常重要的考验。当掌权者不尊重宪法时——这基本上就是我们今天一直在讨论的内容——而且没有人能有效应对,Frank这样说。
This is from someone who goes by FrankHodge7654. They say, the biggest stress test to our democratic republic in our history was the Civil War. The second-biggest stress test was the economic collapse of the 1930s. They say, the current crisis is a very important test. When the people in office do not respect the Constitution—that’s a lot of what we’ve been talking about today—and no one is responding effectively, Frank says.
他们在某种程度上在问,我想,适当的反应应该是什么?我们之前稍微讨论过这一点,David,但我想知道你对Frank所说的对宪法的不尊重所应作出的适当反应有什么看法。
They’re asking, I guess, in a way, what would be the appropriate response? We kind of got into that a little bit, David, but I’m curious what your thoughts are on the appropriate response to the disrespect, as Frank puts it, for the Constitution.
DC:你知道,归根结底,这取决于你、你、你和你——也就是我们所有人——去投票支持那些在就职时宣誓时承诺会维护宪法的人。而且,你知道,我们曾经历过一位总统,他……你知道,他不是一次,而是两次上台,我认为,是通过各种方式欺骗了公众,而他对宪法毫无尊重。
DC: You know, ultimately it boils down to you and you and you and you—to all of us—to vote for people who will uphold the Constitution as they swear to do when they take the oath of office. And, you know, we’ve had a president who got into power, you know, got into office not once, but twice, I think, by, you know, by hoodwinking the public in many ways, who has no respect for the Constitution.
而我们过去可能认为的,即使是他自己的政党——也会设立防护栏来约束他,不让他过度撕毁宪法——结果并非如此,他们只是屈服、妥协,并成为了特朗普 culto 的一部分。因此,如果美国人想要保持我们开国元勋以及过去为这民主献出生命的人们所留下的民主,那么这件事就得成为他们的首要任务,他们需要投票给他们认为会维护法治的人。我的意思是,这其实就是公民课101的内容,但我也没什么别的可以说了。我们转到——请继续。
And what we might have thought in the past, that a political party—even his own political party—would put up guardrails to keep him in place and not let him tear up the Constitution too much, well, that wasn’t there, and they just folded and caved and became part of the Trump cult. So it’s really up to Americans, if they want to keep the democracy that they’ve been bequeathed by our founders and by people who gave their lives for this democracy in years past, to make this a priority for them and vote for people who they think will uphold the rule of law. I mean, it’s kind of Civics 101, but I don’t have much more to say than that. Let’s turn to—go ahead.
GH:我在这里要补充一点,大卫。我认为你说得完全正确,但我想补充的一点是——正如FrankHodge7654指出的那样,你知道,这其中很多内容直接与这个国家在种族和种族主义问题上的未完成事业有关。我的意思是,显然内战是关于奴隶制的,而这些事情在某种程度上造成了盔甲上的裂缝,这些小小的脆弱点或漏洞,使得不尊重宪法的人有机可乘,借助反移民情绪或可能的种族主义言论来获取权力。
GH: I’ll add one additional point here, David. I think you’re spot-on, but the thing that I’ll add—I mean, as FrankHodge7654 points out, you know, so much of this is directly connected to the unfinished business, I think, that this country has around its relationship to race and racism. I mean, obviously the Civil War was about slavery, and these things kind of create these chinks in the armor, these little kind of vulnerable points or vulnerability points for someone who does not respect the Constitution to come in and to lean into anti-immigrant sentiment or maybe racist rhetoric in order to gain power.
因此,所有这些事情以各自的方式相互关联,我认为你完全正确,我们国家的人民、选民必须战略性地思考他们将权力交给谁。
And so all of these things are in their own way connected, and I think you’re totally right that the people, voters in our country, have to be thinking strategically about who they give power to.
DC:这是个很好的观点。而且,直到我们解决其中一些问题之前,我们将继续容易受到不尊重宪法的煽动者的影响。所以让我转向一位名叫Disky、用户名为DISKY01的观众。我这就从纸上念出来。Flock摄像头专门用于读取车牌,但我认为这表明人们终于开始理解大规模监控的后果。我们目前不能相信联邦政府能做对任何事情,因此这必须是一个地方政府的问题。我们必须确保我们的地方政府制定更严格的反企业、反执法和反政府的间谍和监控法律。
DC: That’s a good point. And until we resolve some of those issues, we will be vulnerable to demagogues who don’t respect the Constitution. So let me turn to a viewer who goes by the name Disky, DISKY01. I’m gonna read it off the paper here. Flock cameras are for license plate reading specifically, but I think this is an indication that people are finally beginning to understand the consequences of general mass surveillance. We can’t trust the federal government to do anything right now, and so it must be a local government issue. We have to ensure that our local governments enact stronger spying and surveillance laws against corporations, law enforcement, and governments.
我认为这是真的,但我认为我们也会在人工智能领域看到这种情况。将会有一场激烈的争夺,看谁来监管这些新技术,而大型科技公司不希望这种监管是州一州、一地一地进行的。如果是在联邦层面进行,他们影响这一过程的机会会大得多,因为他们可以投入大量资金,正如我们所看到的,正如我们与埃隆·马斯克讨论过的,以及我们在之前的节目中讨论过的,由加密货币和人工智能资助的大型超级政治行动委员会。
I think that’s true, but I think we’re gonna see this with AI as well. There’s going to be a big fight between who gets to regulate these new technologies, and Big Tech doesn’t want it to be state by state, locality by locality. They have a much easier chance of influencing the process if it’s done at the federal level, where they can throw in a lot of money, as we’ve seen and as we’ve talked about with Elon Musk, and as we’ve discussed on earlier episodes, big super PACs being funded by crypto and AI.
GH:好的,我认为这已经足够供我们的观众环节使用了。我想进入我们一直会稍微讨论一下的最后一个问题,那就是:您这周有什么事情感到压力,或者也许没有之前那么有压力?大卫,我们从你开始。请告诉我们您现在有什么事情让您感到压力,或者也许您现在比以前压力更小的是什么?
GH: Okay, I think that’s enough for our audience section. I wanna move us to our final question that we always talk a little bit about, which is: What are you stressed or maybe not stressed out about this week? David, let’s start with you. Go ahead and tell us what’s stressing you out, or maybe what are you less stressed about than you were before?
DC:嗯,我现在对民意调查可能真的很不准确感到压力小了。我的意思是,它们可能不完全准确,但它们在同一个方向上移动。当以不同方式提出问题时,它们在全国不同选举中都显示出相同的总体趋势,所以我不再担心它们会遗漏某些东西。
DC: Well, I’m less stressed out about the polls being really wrong. I mean, they may not be fully accurate, but they are moving in the same direction. They all show the same overall trend across the country in different races when you ask the question in different ways, so I’m not as worried about them missing something.
我感到压力或担心的是,正如安娜 earlier 在节目中所说的那样,可能会出现某种“十月惊喜”,但这种惊喜可能更多或更少地由大量资金资助。涌入的资金规模巨大,而且,你知道,可能有数亿甚至上亿美元的资金我们无法追踪。这些是暗钱,我们甚至看不见,而这些暗钱有能力资助一种“十月惊喜”。
What I’m, you know, stressed out or what I would be concerned about is something that Anna said earlier on the show, and that is an October surprise of some sort, but more or less being funded by a lot of money. The money coming in is just tremendous, and, you know, there’s hundreds—maybe tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars that we can’t track. That’s dark money that we don’t even see, and the ability of that money to finance an October surprise.
另一个故事是关于詹姆斯·塔拉里科被,你知道的,送进精神健康机构——这些事情通常发生在选举前的周末,这时候反驳起来更困难,你知道的,无论是来自俄罗斯的虚假信息机器人,还是来自埃隆·马斯克和MAGA影响者在X上编造的内容。我担心这种情况会出现,并且会被大量资金推动。
Another story about James Talarico being, you know, taken off to a mental health institution—things that break on the weekend right before the election and where it’s harder to counter them, you know, whether it’s from Russian disinformation bots or from Elon Musk and MAGA influencers making things up on X. I worry about that coming and being pushed out with a lot of money.
GH:是啊,我的意思是,这正是我同样感到压力的事情,大卫——那就是社交媒体上拥有最大喇叭的人能够推送这些影响选举的虚假和错误信息,而且这些信息会被广泛传播。我的意思是,我认为埃隆·马斯克之所以只是放大安娜指出的那些纯属胡说八道的内容,归根结底是因为我们是易受影响的,我们是可以被影响的,我们能够接受这些信息,而且很多时候它确实会对我们的行为产生影响。
GH: Yeah, I mean, that’s exactly the thing that I’m stressing out about as well, David—this idea that people with the largest megaphones on social media are able to push these election-influencing bits of dis- and misinformation, and that these things get shared so widely. I mean, part of the reason, I think, why Elon Musk just amplifies stuff that’s, as Anna pointed out, just nonsense is because at the end of the day, we are susceptible, we are influenceable, we are able to take in this information, and a lot of times it does have an impact on our behavior.
因此,这让我有点压力,而我们如何应对和反击这些事情对我来说也很有趣。当然,做到这一点的一种方式就是关注《母琼斯》、关注《压力测试》,通过每周在这里保持了解。所以这是你可以做的一件事来减轻压力,而我希望——这就是我让自己减压的方式——我们正在做着传播良好信息的好工作。
And so that’s kind of stressing me out, and how we kind of fight and push back against these things is kind of interesting to me. And of course, one of the ways to do that is to to Mother Jones, to to Stress Test, to stay in the know by being right here every single week. So that’s one of the things that you can do to lower your stress, and that’s what I hope—that’s what I’m allowing to lower my stress, is that we’re doing the good work of getting good information out there.
DC:好吧,这就是今天节目的全部内容。如果你错过了之前的《压力测试》节目,可以去我们的YouTube频道。你可以去那里,也可以在那里订阅,并在你获取播客的任何地方找到我们。
DC: Well, that’s all we have in today’s episode. If you missed previous episodes of Stress Test, go to our YouTube channel. You can go there atsubscribe there as well, and find us wherever you find your podcasts.
GH:当然,要大声感谢安娜·梅兰的惊人报道。我们的优秀新闻工作以及我们在这里所做的工作,就像安娜的报道一样——这些只有在你们的支持下才成为可能。你们的观看和订阅让我们得以继续前进,所以别忘了点赞、分享以及,正如大卫所说,订阅我们的YouTube频道。
GH: Of course, a huge shout-out to Anna Merlan for her incredible reporting. Our great journalism and the work that we do here, like Anna’s reporting—this stuff is only made possible because of your support. Your views and your subscriptions keep us going, so don’t forget to like and to share and to to our YouTube channel, as David says.
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