缅因州民主党参议院候选人特洛伊·杰克逊对达娜·巴什说：“我相信我们可以谈判出一个方案，让我们离开霍尔木兹海峡，同时不再失去更多的船只。”“我们能够负担得起的费用。”
Maine Democratic Senate Candidate Troy Jackson tells Dana Bash, "I'm sure we can negotiate something that has us leave the Strait of Hormuz without losing any more ships." THE THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT HOME HEATING OIL, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY HIGH HERE IN MAINE. UM, YOU SAID THAT WE SHOULD JUST GET OUT OF IRAN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. HOW WOULD THAT WORK? WOULD WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH JUST PULLING OUT OF IRAN?
“你提到家庭取暖油，在缅因州这里的价格非常高。嗯，你说我们应该尽快退出伊朗。那该怎么操作？你是否愿意仅仅撤出伊朗？如果这样做，霍尔木兹海峡仍然或肯定会被伊朗控制，这会继续推高油价吗？”“好吧，我们自己之前已经控制过油价，那时油价并不高。”
AND WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, WHICH IS STILL OR WOULD BE CERTAINLY CONTROLLED BY IRAN IF THAT HAPPENED, WHICH WOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THE OIL PRICES HIGH? >> WELL, OUR OWN CONTROLLED IT BEFORE IN THE OIL PRICES WEREN'T ANYWHERE. >> NEAR IT, DIDN'T IT? IT WAS OPEN. WELL BEFORE THE IRAN WAR. NO IT WASN'T, IT WAS OPEN. >> WELL, IRAN HAD THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY DID BEFORE WE STARTED BOMBING THEM. AND THINGS WERE FINE.
“几乎没有吗？那时是开放的。那是在伊朗战争之前。不是的，那时是开放的。”
I'M SURE THAT IF WE MOVE OUT OF IRAN, THINGS WILL STABILIZE AND PRICES WILL PROBABLY GO DOWN. UH, I MEAN.
“伊朗在我们开始轰炸他们之前有能力做他们当时所做的事。当时情况还算正常。我确信如果我们撤出伊朗，局势会稳定，油价可能会下降。呃，我的意思是。”
DO YOU THINK IF THE UNITED STATES JUST LEAVES, IRAN WILL SAY, OKAY, FINE, WE'RE GOING TO PULL OUT OF THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ? >> WELL, IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. AND I DEFINITELY THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT OUR TROOPS GETTING OUT OF THERE.
“你们认为，如果美国只是撤离，伊朗会说，好吧，没问题，我们要退出霍尔木兹海峡吗？”
UH, YOU KNOW, IN A MANNER THAT THEY'RE SAFE. BUT YEAH, I DO. I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THAT WAR AND HOPEFULLY PRICES WILL STABILIZE.
“嗯，这比我们现在所做的要好得多。我肯定认为，呃，你知道，我们需要确保我们的部队安全撤离那里。呃，你知道，以一种安全的方式。但是，是的，我这么认为。我认为我们需要退出那场战争，希望价格能够稳定。我的意思是，价格上涨是因为我们卷入了这场战争。”
I MEAN, THEY ROSE BECAUSE WE GOT INTO IT. >> I MEAN, THE, THE SITUATION IS, IS CHALLENGING. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. BUT THERE. >> ARE WASN'T BEFORE DONALD TRUMP. >> IT WASN'T IT WASN'T.
“我的意思是，局势，局势是具有挑战性的。毫无疑问。但是，那里。”“在唐纳德·特朗普之前，并不是这样。”
BUT NOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. AND THERE ARE THERE ARE BLOCKADES AND OTHER WAYS THAT THE US BEING THERE IS AT LEAST LETTING SOME SHIPS THROUGH. AND IF THE US LEAVES, WHY WOULD IRAN JUST PULL UP STAKES AND SAY, OKAY, FINE, WE CAN JUST WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN. >> I'M SURE WE CAN NEGOTIATE. UH, SOMETHING THAT HAS US LEAVE. UH, THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, UH, WITHOUT LOSING ANY MORE SHIPS, GOING BACK TO A SITUATION WHERE WE USED TO BE.
“不是，不是。但现在我们身处其中。而且，有封锁和其他方式，美国的存在至少让一些船只得以通过。如果美国离开，为什么伊朗就会收拾行李说，好吧，没问题，我们可以让它保持开放？”
I MEAN, PRESIDENT OBAMA NEGOTIATED A DEAL WHERE WE WEREN'T. THEY WEREN'T ENRICHING URANIUM. WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE ISSUES.
“我确信我们可以谈判。呃，某种让美国离开的方式。呃，霍尔木兹海峡，呃，而不再损失更多船只，回到我们过去所处的局面。我的意思是，奥巴马总统谈判达成了一项协议，当时他们没有浓缩铀，我们也没有这些问题。呃，唐纳德·特朗普撕毁了它，现在我们陷入了现在的混乱之中。呃，因为他想玩战争游戏。我确信有一种方法，我们可以”
UH, DONALD TRUMP TORE IT UP, AND NOW WE'RE IN THE MESS THAT WE'RE IN. UH, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO PLAY WAR GAMES. I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN