副总统JD·万斯在弗拉特洛克举行的一场社区座谈会上，面对密歇根州选民的提问。随着该州逐渐成为11月中期选举中争夺参议院控制权的关键战场，这场座谈会备受关注。
Vice President JD Vance faced questions from Michigan voters during a town hall in Flat Rock as the state emerges as a key battleground in the fight for Senate control in November's midterms.
这场由CBS新闻举办的社区座谈会距离中期选举仅剩几周时间，而共和党正努力维持其在众议院和参议院的多数席位。密歇根州空缺的参议院席位由民主党候选人阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛义德和共和党候选人迈克·罗杰斯（前众议院议员）共同角逐。以下是此次社区座谈会的亮点时刻：周六，万斯收到的第一个问题来自一名43岁的底特律理发师。这位选民问他，为何油价仍比特朗普第一个任期期间高得多。
The town hall hosted by CBS News came just weeks before the midterm elections as Republicans are fighting to keep their majorities in the House and Senate. Vying for the open Senate seat in Michigan is Democratic candidate Abdul El-Sayed and Republican candidate Mike Rogers, a former member of the House of Representatives. Here are the top moments from the town hall: The first question Vance fielded Saturday came from a 43-year-old Detroit barber, who asked him why gas prices remain significantly higher than during Trump's first term.
万斯首先指出伊朗对商业航运的袭击以及由此引发的全球能源市场动荡，但同时也将责任归咎于拜登政府。
Vance first pointed to Iran’s attacks on commercial shipping and the resulting disruption to global energy markets, but he also placed blame on the Biden administration.
万斯表示：“这其实才是油价如此高的主要原因，因为乔·拜登担任总统期间，美国约有20%的炼油产能被迫停产。”
"That's actually the biggest reason why gas prices are so high, because when Joe Biden was president, we had about 20% of American refining capacity that went offline," Vance said.
万斯称，特朗普政府曾动用《国防生产法》以帮助恢复国内炼油产能，但他也警告说，重建这些基础设施需要时间。
Vance said the Trump administration was using the Defense Production Act to help restore domestic refining capacity, but cautioned that rebuilding that infrastructure would take time.
CBS新闻主持人托尼·多库皮尔则对万斯试图将责任推给拜登的做法提出反驳，他指出，特朗普和万斯执政已近两年，而美国民众在此期间仍持续面临高油价问题。晨光：特朗普总统与美国军方已击败伊朗Dokoupil 将话题转向政府腐败，援引福克斯新闻的一项民调显示，60% 的选民对该问题极为担忧。他询问 Vance 是否在特朗普白宫内部目睹过让他感到“作呕”的事情。
CBS News anchor Tony Dokoupil pushed back on Vance's attempts to blame Biden, noting that Trump and Vance have been in office for nearly two years while Americans continued to face high gas prices. Dokoupil shifted the conversation to government corruption, citing a Fox News poll showing that 60% of voters were extremely concerned about the issue. He asked Vance whether anything he had witnessed inside the Trump White House made him feel "squeamish."
“你当然会看到华盛顿特区的腐败证据。我会看到美国总统、政府的腐败证据吗？不会，Tony，我就是不看到，”Vance 说。
"You certainly see evidence of corruption in Washington, D.C. Do I see evidence of corruption from the president of the United States, from the administration?
此番对话发生在金伯莉·吉尔福伊因被指向一位希望获取特朗普政府官员通道的捐助者索取 10 万美元而辞去美国驻希腊大使职务数日后。吉尔福伊否认有不当行为。
No, Tony, I just don’t," Vance said. The exchange came days after Kimberly Guilfoyle resigned as U.S. ambassador to Greece amid allegations that she sought $100,000 from a donor seeking access to Trump administration officials. Guilfoyle has denied wrongdoing.
Dokoupil 继续向 Vance 追问涉及吉尔福伊的指控，以及对 IRS 审查特朗普税单的限制和总统加密货币收入的担忧。
Dokoupil pressed Vance on the allegations involving Guilfoyle, along with concerns about restrictions on IRS scrutiny of Trump's tax returns and the president's cryptocurrency earnings.
Vance 表示，出售白宫通道将是“令人作呕且卑劣”的行为，任何负有责任的人都应受到惩罚。
Vance said selling access to the White House would be "disgusting and despicable" and that anyone responsible should face consequences.
随后，Dokoupil 询问如果民主党在一月掌控国会，Vance 是否会配合调查涉嫌腐败的传票。
Dokoupil then asked whether Vance would comply with subpoenas investigating alleged corruption if Democrats took control of Congress in January.
“当然，当然会，”Vance 说。“看，我们遵守法律。我遵守法律。”金伯莉·吉尔福伊因 10 万美元指控面临潜在参议院调查Vance 在一次移民言论的质询中，被一位已入籍的美国公民质问。该选民称她投票支持副总统，但质疑政府为何“把移民当替罪羊”。这位在 20 年前移民美国的选民针对 Vance 将部分 H-1B 签证工人称为“外国契约劳工”提出质疑。
"Of course, of course I will," Vance said. "Look, we follow the law. I follow the law." Vance was confronted over his immigration rhetoric by a naturalized U.S. citizen who said she voted for the vice president but questioned why the administration was "scapegoating immigrants." The voter, who immigrated to the United States 20 years ago, challenged Vance over his characterization of certain H-1B visa workers as "foreign indentured servants."
“如果我的言论在这里不够完善，那是我的责任，”Vance 说。
"To the extent that my rhetoric has been imperfect here, that's on me," Vance said.
但万斯为自己的言论进行了辩护，称他的批评对象是那些剥削外国工人的企业，而非移民本身。他认为H-1B签证制度赋予雇主对外国工人过大的控制权；这些工人的能否留在美国完全取决于他们是否受雇于这些雇主，同时这种制度还允许雇主用持有H-1B签证的外国人来取代美国本土工人。
But Vance defended his remarks, arguing that his criticism was aimed at companies exploiting foreign workers rather than immigrants themselves. He said the H-1B visa system gives employers too much power over foreign workers whose ability to remain in the country depends on their employment, while also allowing companies to replace American workers with visa holders.
“我的批评对象并不是H-1B签证持有者，而是那些雇佣外国工人的企业——有些企业甚至会直接解雇美国本土工人，”万斯说。
"That's not a criticism of the H-1B visa holder. That's a criticism of a company who brings a person in, who sometimes will literally lay off an American worker," Vance said.
多库皮尔进一步追问万斯：他的言论以及特朗普政府的政策是否在将移民视为“非人类”（即忽视他们的基本人权和尊严）。
Dokoupil pressed Vance on whether his rhetoric and that of the Trump administration dehumanized immigrants.
“我的目的绝不是贬低任何移民；事实上，我很尊重许多移民，”万斯回答道。
"My goal here is not to dehumanize any immigrant. And in fact, I love a number of immigrants," Vance said.
不过万斯认为，如果允许大量移民过快地涌入美国，可能会破坏社会凝聚力，并从根本上改变美国的社会结构。
But Vance argued that allowing too many immigrants into the country too quickly could undermine social cohesion and fundamentally change American communities.
“我的邻居们中，有些人甚至在他们所在的社区里找不到一个会说他们语言的人。我认为美国公民希望与有共同语言的人共同生活，这是完全合理的，”万斯说。
"I have neighbors, I have friends of mine who literally don't know a single person in their neighborhood who speaks the language they do," Vance said. "I don't think it's unreasonable for an American citizen to want to share their community with people they have something in common with."
虽然这次市政厅会议是预先录制的，但会议播出后万斯立即在社交媒体上分享了法国发生暴乱时一栋建筑物被烧毁的视频。他表示，法国发生的这一切对美国来说是一个警示。
Though the town hall was pre-recorded, Vance took to X shortly after it aired to share footage from showing a burning building in France amid mass riots. He said what's unfolding in France is a cautionary tale for the United States.
“西方自由主义者以‘多样性’和‘同情心’为借口，将第三世界的人口引入法国和其他国家。他们忽视了移民融入当地社会的基本问题，”万斯在社交媒体上写道，“他们本应预料到这样的后果，但却选择无视。我祈祷这个美丽的国家——法国的人民——能够阻止这种疯狂的行为，以免更多的地标性建筑被毁掉。”
"Western liberals imported the third world into France and other countries in the name of diversity and compassion. They ignored fundamental questions of assimilation and compatibility," Vance posted on "They were told it would lead to this and they didn't listen. I pray that France, a beautiful country of amazing people, will stop this madness before more of its landmarks burn," Vance continued.
多库皮尔质问万斯：为什么与伊朗的战争持续的时间比特朗普政府预期的要长？他问道：“我们为什么还没有取得决定性的胜利？”万斯认为，美国在某些方面已经赢得了这场战争，因为美国的军事打击成功摧毁了伊朗的核计划——而这正是特朗普发动此次军事行动的核心原因。“我们真的摧毁了伊朗的核计划吗？答案是肯定的，”万斯说。
Dokoupil pressed Vance on why the war with Iran had dragged on longer than the Trump administration anticipated, asking the vice president, "Why haven't we won decisively?" Vance argued that the U.S. had "in some ways" already won the war, claiming that American military strikes had successfully destroyed Iran's nuclear program, which he described as the central reason Trump launched the operation. "Have we destroyed the Iranian nuclear program? The answer is yes," Vance said.
不过万斯表示，美国政府仍在努力争取伊朗作出“长期且可验证”的承诺，确保伊朗不会重新发展其核能力；同时也要防止德黑兰扰乱全球能源供应。
But Vance said the administration was still working to secure a "long-term" and "verifiable" commitment from Iran that it would not rebuild its nuclear capabilities, while also preventing Tehran from disrupting global energy supplies.
万斯指出，伊朗方面则通过恐吓途经霍尔木兹海峡的商船来破坏全球石油供应，从而导致油价上涨。他声称，如果没有美国海军的保护，油价可能会高出现在的三倍。
Vance said the Iranians responded by terrorizing commercial shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, disrupting global oil supplies and driving up gas prices.
在共和党面临中期选举挑战的背景下，万斯还批评了民主党在打击犯罪问题上的软弱态度，称民主党“已经失去了理智”。一位来自密歇根州的选民要求万斯谴责其政治阵营中的反犹太主义言论，尤其是像塔克·卡尔森这样的保守派人士所发表的歧视性言论。
He claimed gas prices would be "three times as high" if it weren't for the U.S. Navy protecting commercial shipping through the waterway. Vance was also urged by a Michigan voter to condemn antisemitism within his own political base, including rhetoric from prominent conservative figures such as Tucker Carlson.
提出这个问题的埃迪·鲁宾是一位终身民主党人；他的5岁女儿和3岁儿子在3月份发生在密歇根州的以色列教堂袭击事件中幸存下来。袭击者是一名出生于黎巴嫩的美国公民，他驾驶皮卡车冲进了教堂入口处，随后与安保人员发生了枪战。袭击者最终被击毙，但没有任何儿童或教堂工作人员受伤。“我谴责反犹太主义，我谴责对犹太人的仇恨，”万斯说。
The question came from Eddie Rubin, a lifelong Democrat whose 5-year-old daughter and 3-year-old son survived the attack at Temple Israel, which occurred in March in Michigan. The attacker, a Lebanese-born U.S. citizen, rammed his pickup truck through the synagogue's entrance before exchanging gunfire with security. The attacker was killed, but no children or synagogue staff members were injured. "I condemn anti-Semitism. I condemn Jew hatred," Vance said.
但万斯也将话题转向密歇根州的参议院选举，批评民主党候选人阿卜杜勒·埃尔赛德对犹太教堂袭击事件的回应。万斯指出埃尔赛德曾说“受伤的人会伤害别人”。“他四处说，‘受伤的人会伤害别人’，表现出同理心，但不是对你和你的家人，而我认为我们应该对你们表现出同理心。而是对一个几乎杀死数百名无辜儿童的人表现出同理心，”万斯说。
But Vance also turned the conversation to Michigan's Senate race, criticizing Democratic candidate Abdul El-Sayed for his response to the synagogue attack. Vance pointed to El-Sayed's remark that "hurt people hurt people." "He went around and said, 'hurt people, hurt people', showing empathy, not with you and your family, which is where I think that we got to show empathy. But showing empathy to a guy who nearly killed hundreds of innocent children," Vance said.
埃尔赛德此前谴责了袭击，并后来为自己的措辞道歉，称他从未打算为暴力行为辩护。
El-Sayed had condemned the attack and later apologized for his wording, saying he never intended to justify the violence.